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    • #330602
      elias39
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      RUSSIAGATE

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/russia-us-troops-afghanistan/index.html

      “Russian intelligence officers for the military intelligence GRU recently offered money to Taliban militants in Afghanistan as rewards if they killed US or UK troops there, a European intelligence official told CNN.

      The official was unclear as to the precise Russian motivation, but said the incentives had, in their assessment, led to coalition casualties. The official did not specify as to the date of the casualties, their number or nationality, or whether these were fatalities or injuries.
      “This callous approach by the GRU is startling and reprehensible. Their motivation is bewildering,” the official said.
      This story was first reported by the New York Times.”
      The NYT. At it again. “Sources said”, “Don’t know why!”
      Caitlin Johnstone had a great piece on this nonsense yesterday.
      You decide.

       

    • #330612
      peacecorps
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      The New York Times story alleging that Russia paid Afghan militants to kill US troops is “probably just another phony Times hit job, just like their failed Russia Hoax,” US President Donald Trump said on Twitter.

      Trump took to Twitter to debunk the NYT report, which claimed that he failed to act against Russia after US intelligence told him that Moscow was secretly offering and paying money for attacks on coalition troops in Afghanistan.

      https://www.rt.com/usa/493170-trump-fake-news-nyt-russians-afghanistan/

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

      • #330620
        ravensong
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        If the story ain’t true, Trump will sue.

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

    • #330627
      David the Gnome
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      Is there any evidence that this is true beyond the claims of what an anonymous source claimed?  If an anonymous source told the NYT that Russia was getting ready to nuke New York – would people actually believe it?

      I don’t know what the goal is here, but lacking anything resembling evidence, I do not believe it.  Not even a little.

      • #330664
        game meat
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        Some of these go on for years, but there’s at least a 50/50 chance they end up quietly walking this back within the next couple of days, or at least toning down the hysteria. That happens a lot with stories that offer no evidence beyond “source says,” especially politically motivated narratives like Russiagate where they’re desperate to report on anything that says what they want to here. It’s always the same pattern:

        1. Report a rumor as fact and let it dominate the news cycle for a few days.
        2. Invite all the prominent Russiagaters like Malcolm Nance to come out and screech “Russia!”
        3. After the propaganda is deeply embedded enough in the collective memory, abruptly drop it and pivot to something else.
        4. Go back and  edit the original stories and/or publish a brief piece that “clarifies” that the information could “not be confirmed” or similar language so as to maintain the veneer of credibility. Make sure to give this step little, if any, attention.
        5. Move on to the next one.
    • #330630
      David the Gnome
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      Is it an attempt to paint Russia/Putin as evil?  Is it an effort to defeat them through propaganda?  Or… and here is what concerns me – is all of this crap leading us to the point of no return?  To an actual war?  Do the idiots not understand that Russia is neither Iraq nor Afghanistan?  Nor is it Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, Honduras, etc.  Russia in particular is the most well fortified Country on earth.  Bombing runs would cost us most of (if not all of) the fighters used to run them.  A land invasion is not even remotely feasible.  What they do have is hypersonic missiles, nuclear weapons galore – a leader with a firm grip on the reins of power who isn’t a complete nutty idiot like Trump.  Not saying Putin is great – he’s a politician, and a creepy one – given his KGB record.  Trump is a damn mad liar and has no credibility – and the Taliban is really quite vicious.  They’re not as bad as the New York Times, but..

    • #330643
      N2Doc
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      Remember when the CIA gave OBL and other ‘freedom fighters’ advanced weapons to take out the Soviet Union’s helicopters and Tanks in Afghanistan in the 70’s? Turnabout, ya know. The Russians have long memories.

    • #330649
      MizzGrizz
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      It’s the latest “Saddam has WMDs”lie ginned up so we’ll hate whoever the system has decided we should hate this week.Right now that seems to be Russia.

       

    • #330684
      closeupready
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      that was in existence for centuries … until it wasn’t.  It went broke in the 90’s, and suddenly, it was just another insurance company.  Err, well, they claim they aren’t an insurance company, lol, whatever.

      The New York Times sold itself out during the Iraq War.  Now, IMO, it is no more credible than CNN or MSNBC.  As an old part of the Establishment’s media web, however, they publish a story leaked from their ‘authorized’ leakers and then it gets picked up by … CNN and MSNBC, lol.

      In this particular case, we know that career DC bureaucrats hate Trump, as do many in the intelligence community.  Putting two and two together, it’s a fake story fake-leaked by a faction of those who are eager to help Biden.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #330734
      Punxsutawney
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      We supported the mujaheddin against Russia for what, a decade? And do you think the Taliban needs much incentive to go after US troops? We are such hypocritical children here. This is what competing countries do.

      A better solution is one that no one is even talking about. How about we remove the troops and stop trying to build an empire there? No targets then.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #330783
      peacecorps
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      stopping the prosecution of his friends, emasculating the EPA, deregulating corporations, hiding his own finances, building walls, raising tariffs, yet he just can’t seem to get a handle on the pesky “Deep State”.

      If he was not told in March, he should support an investigation to prove it was never included in his briefings. If he was told but rejected the analysis, he just needs to say so. If he accepted the analysis and did something in response, he just needs to say so. Any option allows him to prove that the NYT is promoting a false story.

      My guess is that if there is a congressional investigation into what Trump was and was not told and when, he will block anyone with knowledge of the affair from testifying. And the absence of an investigation will leave the air clear for him to keep playing the victim of the ‘Fake News’.

      Everyone should know by now that Donald fires people who tell him things he does not like or does not want to ‘know’. One reason that Trump is on his 5th Director of the DNI in 3 and 1/2 years. John Ratcliffe (‘regarded as one of the most conservative members’ of congress) is the latest . Just can’t seem to get a handle on the pesky ‘Deep State’ even when you have a hyper-conservative running things.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

    • #330931
      3fingerbrown
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      And 6. Idiots continue to fall for it.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #330936
      3fingerbrown
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      +100

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #330960
      sadoldgirl
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      The same game again all over: No names of sources, no clear

      evidence. And, yes, @3fingerbrown, people don’t just fall for it,

      but want and love to do that.

    • #330972
      Yanath
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      You mean people actually SHOOT at the US military in the countries we invade and brutalize?

      The nerve!

    • #330980
      Ohio Barbarian
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      There’s a link in Caitlin Johnstone’s piece that is linked to in the OP. The Taliban said they didn’t need any foreign money to kill Americans or anyone else who is occupying their country. Like Afghans ever needed another reason to attack people who invaded them. They’ve been doing if for thousands of years. They’re certainly not going to do more of it if someone pays them.

      Sooooo…why would the Russians pay the Taliban to do something that they were already doing for free? It makes no sense, but Democrats haven’t made any sense for a long time now.

      What does make sense is the arms control talks with Russia and the Get The Hell Out of Afghanistan talks with the Taliban that are coming up. Gee, who would want those talks to fail? The MIC for certain, parts of the intelligence agencies, and Democrats like Biden and Buttigieg who want Forever War.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #331000
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      I don’t believe it, it doesn’t even make sense.  Russia paying for US scalps? How much per head?  Ridiculous continuation of russia russia russia.  Russia may be doing a lot of nefarious shit, but just delivering the payments and producing the evidence = bureaucratic BS.  If russia wants americans dead, they’ll pay for a little insurgency, JUST LIKE THE US DOES.

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