The GOP’s Murderous Anti-Intellectualism

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    • #336703
      eridani
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      https://newrepublic.com/article/158436/republican-murderous-anti-intellectualism

      Even those belonging to the conservative intelligentsia have used anti-intellectualism to pursue their agenda. William F. Buckley, the longtime editor of National Review magazine, said he would rather be governed by the first 2,000 names in the phone book than by the Harvard faculty. And like a comedian who will retell the same joke forever as long as it keeps getting laughs, Buckley repeated his line whenever the occasion seemed to call for it. Ironically, Buckley rose to fame largely due to his degree from Yale University, and throughout his life he exaggerated his intelligence by frequently using obscure multisyllable words and Latin phrases.

      Buckley wasn’t the only one to trade on his Yale degree to belittle knowledge and education even at the highest levels of government. Giving the commencement address at Yale in 2001, George W. Bush, also a graduate of the university, bragged about his modest academic achievements: “To those of you who received honors, awards, and distinctions, I say, well done. And to the C students I say, you, too, can be president of the United States!”

      In a forthcoming article in Public Opinion Quarterly, political scientist Eric Merkley explains how populism and anti-intellectualism lend themselves naturally to the rejection of scientific expertise. As Republicans have tied themselves to the pseudo-populist Tea Party movement over the last decade, as well as to evangelicals and other fundamentalist Christians, their trust in scientific expertise has fallen. According to a 2019 article in Public Opinion Quarterly, in 1973 more Republicans had a great deal of trust in scientists than did Democrats (41 percent of the former, 35 percent of the latter). But by 2016, those percentages had reversed. The latest data from Pew show that 43 percent of Democrats have a great deal confidence in scientists to act in the best interests of the public, while only 27 percent of Republicans do.

      Like today’s Republicans, the Know-Nothing Party was obsessed with keeping out foreigners, was highly susceptible to insane conspiracy theories, and strongly promoted a fundamentalist Protestant view of the world. It rose briefly to prominence in the mid-1850s, but quickly collapsed due to its unserious approach to policy and its unwillingness to address the overriding issue of the day, slavery.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #336706
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      My trust in science has also declined, as its gotten increasingly proprietary and cutthroat, and actually fraudulent.  Big Pharma is the poster child, but in other realms also.

      I’m not a fundie either.

    • #336713
      peacecorps
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      Like those in the 20’s, the modern right promotes tax cuts, deregulation, tariffs and immigration restrictions. The stock market boomed – until 1929 anyway – economic inequality boomed – even worse than today which is hard to believe.

      Even earlier the Know Nothing Party in the 1840’s and 50’s was nativist and xenophobic (that sounds familiar) but also anti-Catholic due to the fear that the Pope (a foreigner obviously) would control large numbers of voters. That is a big difference with modern republicans who cater to the Catholic (and other fundamentalist) churches. They wanted to restrict both immigration and the rights of immigrants already here.

      History seems to repeat itself more often than not.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #336720
      Enthusiast
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      Kicked and recommended!

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #336754
      GZeusH
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      Science is science, and fraud is fraud, and fraudulent science is just one of the many types of fraud.  A scientist is open to changing his mind, given new facts, while a fraudster will change his facts if it supports his fraudulent claim.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

    • #336765
      Fasttense
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      Science has always been the most reliable process to discovering the truth. It’s a process that has always been reliable.

      It is just when frauds, cons and the filthy rich fake it and manipulate it to gain wealth that people think it is corrupted. (Don’t know why this got cut off. Fixed it.)

      It’s a tool and like any other tool, bad and immoral people abuse it.

    • #336769
      David the Gnome
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      Real science rarely has anything to do with absolutism.  Everything can and should be questioned, tested, debated, pondered over and so on.  You never learn a damn thing if you don’t ask some questions – and there are different ways of asking.  You could ask a very smart person about the properties of a specific substance, for example – or you could get a chemistry set or something and figure it out for yourself.  Maybe you discover something unusual, maybe you later find out it isn’t unusual and your experiment was contaminated or something.  That’s how I see science, anyhow, as constantly evolving because we are constantly learning and challenging.  If we are not, then we are abusing our own intelligence.

      So, when someone tells me that something is so because it is, because it is undeniable fact – I look at the evidence – and if they are right I will agree with them – for now.  That fact could change, in a twinkling – or may not be a fact at all.  That is part of the problem with intelligence in general, really.  If we use it, we are questioning and analyzing, evaluating even our questions and analysis.  There is always room for doubt, for error, for getting a fact wrong, or at least not entirely right.

      So, do I trust absolute facts?  As absolutely as I trust that tomorrow they could change.

    • #336812
      Fasttense
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      You describe the process well.

    • #337112
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      when what is called science is what we’re asked to base our decisions on, but that entity is fraudulent, it really doesn’t matter that some abstract ‘science’ is not fraudulent — in the abstract.

      we don’t live in the abstract ideal

    • #337130
      peacecorps
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      How does “what is called science” differ from “science”? Science is imperfect and knowledge evolves over time. Does that mean we can ignore “what is called science” and just go with what we want to believe is true? Isn’t that what Trump does?

      And on what do we base progressive policies if not on ‘what is called science’? The whims of politicians? On what we want to be true? “Global warming is a hoax and a ‘Chinese conspiracy’? Covid-19 is a hoax and a Chinese conspiracy, too?”

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #337150
      David the Gnome
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      No, I don’t think global warming or covid-19 are hoaxes.  I would agree though, that what is called science is not necessarily so.  For example, creationists (the sort that thinks the world is like 7 thousand years old – and Moses rode a dinosaur or something) use their own notion of what “science” is to support their mad beliefs.

      Other example: CNN brings on an expert to talk about racial justice.  The expert is wearing a thousand dollar suit, sitting in a million dollar home, with the AC on and security guards at the door.  This rich white person with a doctorate in… I don’t know, philosophy, maybe?  Proceeds to tell us how we should all think and feel.  That isn’t science.  They can call the person an expert, they can even give them a doctorate.  People will call him doctor, kiss his ass – and even let him teach at university.  Doesn’t make him any more of an expert than my cat though.

      No, scientists cannot be trusted absolutely, without question.  To do so would be anti-science and frankly, stupid.  Examine the data to the extent that you can, look at the evidence.  The data, the evidence, etc. and a huge number of scientists and doctors and researchers with no specific financial interests tied to the corporate world have told us, repeatedly, that covid-19 and global warming are real.  I have seen the evidence of it with my own eyes.

      Experts, well, they lie.  Scientists lie.  Doctors lie.  Everyone lies.  Generally though, when a truth becomes widely known, it is because it is a truth, scientific or otherwise.  The sun rises in the east, sets in the west.

      You get it.

    • #337222
      not4sale
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      Corporations lie, pay off repukes and dems, doctors lie for insurance companies, politicians lie for profit but science is still truth.  The GOPuke cult of death is too stupid to understand the difference.  They deserve what’s happening to them, every repuke I know ignores the truth, call people like me a traitor or a commie and they live their hateful lives in complete denial.

      It really hit home for me back in the Bush torture camps days when repukes loved the idea of torturing people.  The CIA released a 600 page report on all their torture experiments up to the year 2000, a complete record of their 35 years of torture “experiments”.  Two types of torture produce “actionable info”: exposure to cold and sleep deprivation, both only work for the first 72 hours of detainment.  Neither works as well as trying to make friends with the captive and gain their trust.

      After that, torture is pure sadism.  Of course repukes believe none of that actual research and prefer sadism and medieval barbaric torture of human beings.  GOPukes are scum and have no place in a society that professes to be advanced and based on equality.

    • #337423
      bazukhov
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      Yes, the same God who brought us Covid 19 and Donald Trump to name just 2 of His many blessings.

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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