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    The HRC Server Scandal and the "Russiagate" Dirty Dossier Merge

    Here’s where the snake swallows its own tail in the HRC Server Investigation becomes the Russiagate scandal.

    We’re now hearing that Sid Blumenthal was feeding Christopher Steele information from foreign sources that made its way into the latter’s Dirty Dossier against Trump.  If true, here’s where the snake swallows its own tail in the HRC Server Investigation becomes the Russiagate Scandal.  Now, both scandals are starting to make sense, in some very dark, ironic way.

    First this, just in:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/gowdy-blumenthal-steele-dossier-clinton-395929

    Gowdy implies Clinton friend Blumenthal fed information to Steele

    By REBECCA MORIN

    Updated 02/06/2018 08:54 PM EST

    Rep. Trey Gowdy implied Tuesday that information provided by longtime Clinton friend Sidney Blumenthal was used by former British spy Christopher Steele.

    During an interview on Fox News’ “The Story,” host Martha MacCallum asked Gowdy (R-S.C.) whether “weeks before the election, somebody in the Obama State Department was feeding information from a foreign source to Christopher Steele.” MacCallum had previously asked whether Gowdy knew anything about “a source who gave information to an unnamed associate of Hillary and Bill Clinton who then gave information to an unnamed official in the Obama State Department who then gave the information to Steele.”

    “When you hear who the source, one of the sources of that information is, you’re going to think, ‘Oh, my gosh, I’ve heard that name somewhere before. Where could it possibly have been?’” Gowdy replied. Asked whether it was a foreign source, the South Carolina Republican said it was domestic. “I’m trying to think of how Secretary Clinton defined him. I think she said he was an old friend who emailed her from time to time,” Gowdy said. Asked whether it was Blumenthal, Gowdy said: “That would be really warm. You’re warm.”

    “I am troubled by what I read in the documents with respect to the role the State Department played in the fall of 2016, including information that was used in a court proceeding,” he said. Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton friend, confidant and adviser, never worked at the State Department under President Barack Obama. He worked in the White House of President Bill Clinton and for the Clinton Foundation during Obama’s tenure.

    We’re seeing the server and the Dossier scandals merge.  We already knew that HRC was running a private espionage and dirty-tricks operation that exchanged classified government materials internationally over its own private network. We know that because Blumenthal’s email was hacked, that alerted the rest of us to the unauthorized server way back in 2015.  We learned on Friday how the Fusion-GPS operation set up the opposition Presidential campaign for illegal surveillance.  It was a frame-up using its own tainted evidence to fraudulently obtain FISA warrants.

    Those involved in this ring managed to not only get HRC off the hook by spiking the FBI investigation, it had the intended effect of diverting scandal away from her by manufacturing a scandal to entrap the opposition campaign.  Unfortunately for all involved, she failed to be elected, and the guts of this wounded thing are beginning to spill out.

    Now, we see Sid factored into both the flow of classified materials across the illegal server and now as a source for Fusion-GPS; meanwhile, confederates operating inside the FBI and DOJ (Strzok and the Ohrs, most notably) were misdirecting the resulting investigation of HRC while feeding information back to the center (Fusion-GPS) paid for by the Clinton campaign.

    It’s not just a criminal network, it’s a private intelligence agency, masquerading as a Presidential campaign.  Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Deep State, or a splinter cell of it, at least.

    Whatever it is, it’s like Philip K. Dick authored the text on elections for your Civics class.

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    • Jan Boehmermann (4646 posts)
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      1. Asked whether it was Blumenthal, Gowdy said: “That would be really warm.

      I heard that on the radio today.  And I was like ……… WTF?!!!!!!!!  

      This is going to be interesting!

    • INTJ (3016 posts)
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      2. My problem with Blumenthal is that he's so handy to toss to the sharks

      Obama didn’t want the Clinton’s guy near his administration, everyone knows it. Everyone paying attention is aware that Blumenthal and SS HRC kept a contact going, nonetheless.

      If I was wanting to run the hounds on scent trails that led away from Deep State players like Brennan, Blumenthal would make a very convenient “rabbit” to carry that scent.

      I think we need to be sure of the quality of the stuff on Sydney.

      I'm not going to argue  ...  just post 2 faux-facs and I'll see them in the morning.
      • leveymg (4050 posts)
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        5. Strzok is chum, too. Carried out an essential role in spiking the HRC

        investigation from within and then in directing the Mueller investigation.  Versatile fellow.

        • INTJ (3016 posts)
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          11. Yes, and now more Rob Reiner hailing Clapper and Brennan as heroic patriots

          on MSNBC…

          It seems the Resistance is laying on sandbags as fast as they can.   Sort of looks like Nunes has interrupted the good ol’ boys from their fishing and banjo’n down at the levee.

          Whatever happened to the old  Security Standard “We cannot confirm or deny”?   Why are Deep State voices so interested in selling their new improved detergent to get the Reds out?

          I'm not going to argue  ...  just post 2 faux-facs and I'll see them in the morning.
          • leveymg (4050 posts)
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            12. Rob Reiner, 2018 is proof of Wavy Gravy's warning, "don't take the brown acid"

            All this Romancing the Spooks by the old New Left is very twisted, indeed.

            For some, comfortable old age means becoming the thing we feared most in our youth.

          • Peace Patriot (3278 posts)
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            13. Your "Deliverance" ref got me to thinking…

            I just read this part of Thompson’s time-line on the Clinton email investigation (Blumenthal emailing about his contacts in Libya):

            http://www.thompsontimeline.com/tag/cody-shearer/

            I’ve always thought it odd that the private contractor gig that Blumenthal was seeking with “rebel fighters” in Libya never panned out, or is reported to have never panned out.  Odd, given how well-connected Blumenthal was.  Got to thinking about how Gaddafi died.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muammar_Gaddafi

            Looked up dates:

            These Blumenthal emails about his Libya project were in May and July 2011.  Gaddafi was bayonet raped and murdered in late October 2011 (the horror that Hillary Clinton laughs about in the infamous vid).

            I wonder about this Osprey Global Solutions project of Blumenthal’s.  What was it really about?  Who was to pay for it?   Did it ever receive a State Dept. official or unofficial okay?  Who were the “Libyan rebels” that they were in contact with?  Why does Blumenthal want to keep it disassociated from NATO?  How does Blumenthal know that the official rebel council “wants to demonstrate that they are pro-US”?  And why didn’t Blumenthal’s project work out, or did it?

            Blumenthal:  “…This is a private contract. It does not involve NATO. It puts Americans in a central role without being direct battle combatants. The TNC (the rebel Transitional National Council) wants to demonstrate that they are pro-US. They see this as a significant way to do that. They are enthusiastic about this arrangement.”

            Many questions.

            • INTJ (3016 posts)
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              14. I thought it was a reference to "Swamp People" with a hint of

              ‘The Day the Music Died’.

              TPTB seemed very concerned about Trump’s interest in draining the swamp.

              A draining swamp ultimately leaves every boat in the mud…

              and it provides people with the curiosity of Rick and Marty Lagina a chance to look around that mud for “ancient survey stakes”.

              I'm not going to argue  ...  just post 2 faux-facs and I'll see them in the morning.
      • FugitiveBirdie (1890 posts)
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        6. Yes you are absolutely right.

        It’s convenient to blame someone on the outside and ignore the Deep State iceburg.

        I have been thinking there must be something more to this by the fact that CNN had every living former CIA Director on multiple times to protest the release of the Nunes memo in advance (when of course they were the only ones who knew what was behind it).

    • MistaP (7342 posts)
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      3. what's the ONE WAY they could fuck up a presidential election against

      Donald Trump?

      have Clinton do it

      what’s the ONE WAY they could fuck up an FBI investigation against Donald Trump?

       

      http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • leveymg (4050 posts)
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        4. Answer, do both with one set of accomplices.

        Disposable ones.

        • Koko (4679 posts)
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          8. +1

    • Fawke Em (4259 posts)
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      7. Totally and completely predictable.

      First, we know that Hillary was sharing classified information with Blumenthal using an unencrypted server via email to an unsecure mobile phone.

      Second, we know the Clintons borrowed from Karl Rove’s playbook: accuse your opponent of what you are doing. Polling showed she was weak on Russia because of the Uranium One deal, so she deflected to Trump (who probably also has ties with Russian oligarchs, which is bad, but it’s not election-hacking).

      Finally, the new texts between the FBI lovers show they were Hillary pawns (or Trump haters, whichever you prefer) and had no businesses investigating either Clinton or Trump as a result of their bias.

      Makes sense.

          
      • Widestance (88 posts)
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        30. Except we also know from those texts

        That Strzok didn’t want to be on the Russian investigation in the first place. He said it was a loser of a case and there was no evidence.

        Most of Americans are Trump-haters.

        And Rove wasn’t about accusing the enemy of whatever you’re doing wrong (that would be defining quality of the entire Trumpian GOP). Rove was all about hitting his opponents on their strengths, which is wickedly brilliant. Attack war heroes on their heroism, in the service of a draft dodger. Attack smart people for their intelligence, on behalf of an idiot. There’s no good way to defend against batshit crazy allegations.

        I just can’t buy into a conspiracy theory promoted by Benghazi Gowdy and Fox News.

        • Fawke Em (4259 posts)
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          36. Disagree with every word you said, but OK.

              
    • TRex (3760 posts)
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      9. They all spooge into a huge crime sandwich with wars and plight.

      I found that interesting Gowdy found a place he would not cross with the Trump/HRC PAC monster machine it seems to be.

      By stupid logic, these three people because they are in a picture together are knee deep in crime and warmongering. This one time the stupids win, it is true. Gowdy is the type that would radar stupid. IMO.

      The Club, those three are in it…none of us here are.

      Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
      • djean111 (5853 posts)
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        10. Yes. I sort of imagine they find all the partisanship amusing.

        And very very profitable.  But no hindrance in any way.

        • *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things.  The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek.   Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
        You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
        • TRex (3760 posts)
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          20. Both my parents are lifelong Dems, even they don't think anything

          will happen to Trump or HRC. They realize now that there are a few different levels of laws and at the top there is no laws, just infinite profits for the war machine.

           

           

          Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • Babel 17 (4212 posts)
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      15. Clinton being allied to the alphabet agencies got her treated like "Anthony"

      The Democratic party became too scared to do anything but to defer to her. Even President Obama and his aides lacked the resolve to enforce the regulations regarding her actions. And she was blatant about her large scale aberrations from acceptable behavior.

      P.S. They did make a sequel, and Bill Mumy got to work with his daughter. Not as tense, but an impressive ending.

      https://www.votetulsi.com/bumper-stickers/free  
    • jeff47 (1186 posts)
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      16. So….Trey Gowdy now gets on the daily radical.

      That’s it.  I’m out.

      • leveymg (4050 posts)
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        18. I've been saying this for months, Jeff. He's not my muse, I can assure you.

        Thank you for playing our game. You’ll be taking home a lovely assortment of GoodCook TM pots and pans and your own home version of the House Intelligence Committee game.  Hours of fun for the whole family!

      • Beebee (1568 posts)
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        27. Oh FFS, Trey Gowdy didn’t get on Daily Radical, our esteemed Leveymg did.

        Get a life!

        He is only reporting, condensing and connecting the dots for us as to what is going on.

        You should be grateful.

        Facepalm.

         

        "confrontation of the self is as important as with others. we have to be ready to be surprised by unexpected rhetoric, or even possible communion, with those previously seen as impossible." NuttyFluffers
      • Aerows (4548 posts)
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        29. I despise corruption

        no matter what wing it is sheltered under.

        © by Aerows 2018 Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
    • Babel 17 (4212 posts)
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      17. FYI, keep an eye on The Jimmy Dore Show

      He’s usually only about a day or two behind the breaking news, and sometimes even right on top of it, and he gives it a good chewing over.

      For example:

      https://www.votetulsi.com/bumper-stickers/free  
    • Enthusiast (11527 posts)
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      19. Recommended to the max!

      "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
    • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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      21. Recommended for the Philip K. Dick reference. One of the best science

      fiction writers ever; one of my favorites, truly. But like his work, this remains speculative fiction to me for one simple reason: I wouldn’t believe Trey Gowdy if he said rain was wet. Hell, I probably wouldn’t believe anyone named Trey right off the bat. And you are citing Fox News. Talk about a criminal network!

      All you’ve got is text messages from a pair of FBI detectives working on the Hillary server fiasco who tell each other that Trump is a moron. That only proves their basic intelligence. The rest is a bunch of very circumstantial evidence piled on top of a presupposition that FBI/CIA/IC whatever conspired with the Clinton campaign to manufacture evidence against Trump of some, you would probably say nonexistent, Russian collusion so she could use that against him to win the election, or failing that, to have him removed from office.

      I do not see any more there here than I do there over there in “The Russians did it!” land. What I see are two highly improbable competing conspiracy stories that are sucking away attention from people like @davidthegnome having to wait and fight for just a little badly-needed taxpayer help while the Democrats cheerfully give away tens of billions more dollars to the fucking MIC.

      Meanwhile, about a third of Puerto Rico is still without power while the stock market dropped over a thousand points and is now entering what capitalist economists call “correction territory.” Maybe, just maybe, it will crash again. Right now I’m hoping it does.

      I suspect all those who tend to look for conspiracies, both left and right, are being played by at least one faction of our ruling class, the M$M, and played quite well at that. How do you like my conspiracy theory?

      I love you, man, and many other posters right here on this thread. But @mistap has a great point at #3 that I think you missed: The Clinton campaign, and the Clintons themselves, are incompetent.  They’ve never been more than adequately competent when all the odds were in their favor, and their true arrogance and stupidity are only becoming obvious to many now.

      No offense, but until some really hard evidence comes up, I have better things to do than follow the Clinton/FBI vs The Russians did it show.

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • Babel 17 (4212 posts)
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        22. Had she been more competent, or not lead the party down in defeat -Clean getaway

        So yes, an incompetent Clinton getting tangled up in a ludicrous and Byzantine scandal sounds just about right. Look at how she handled Libya for a measure of her ability when it comes to creating her own reality. Absolving Clinton, rather than seeing her as having been involved, requires a larger leap of faith, imo, given what we know of her track record.

        Russia! was the Clinton answer to a Trump Presidency. And the party had scant choice but to rally around their candidate who they’d gone all in on. Had the party stuck to the issues Trump was miserable on, we could have avoided all this Russia! nonsense.

        Toss her and her enablers to the wolves, and that leaves just the issues, and the politicians willing to embrace them.

        I see Bernie as perfectly adapting to that scenario, and showing much better speechifying on the issues. I saw little zest in his mention of Russian interference, in his speech after the SOTU.

        P.S. lol, PKD has moved into being regarded as a writer of prescient fiction. ;)

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        • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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          23. Dick was brilliant, no question, and died far too young.

          Maybe Levey and others will prove to me they are totally correct. It really doesn’t change things much, though–just another Hillary balls up, another bloody balls up. Hillarycare, her 2008 campaign, her truly bloody tenure as Secretary of State, and her pathetic 2016 campaign. All bloody balls up.

          Why people think this woman is brilliant is beyond me.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • Babel 17 (4212 posts)
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            24. If they don't say she won the nomination because of brilliance, they're left …

            With the real reasons. ;)

            lol :)

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            • Aerows (4548 posts)
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              28. If you make TOO many enemies

              One of these days, all of your enemies decide they can be friends for one thing, and one thing only.

              “If I lose, we all go down and that Fascist Fuck will have us swinging from nooses! What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?”

               

              © by Aerows 2018 Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
              • Babel 17 (4212 posts)
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                31. Murder on the Orient Express?

                We’ll see who has friends after the IG report lands, and makes whatever impact it’s capable of.

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                • Aerows (4548 posts)
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                  32. I do believe it is about to get interesting

                  and I have already seen some more DoJ folks step down today.

                  I’m wondering who is next that wants to “retire” or “spend more time with their family”.

                  Can’t plead the fifth if you are a handler of evidence and employed by either agency.

                  We’ll see.

                   

                  © by Aerows 2018

                   

                  © by Aerows 2018 Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
      • MistaP (7342 posts)
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        25. I always complain about how bored I am by it all, but it's part of the

        theft of the 2016 election (the Awans are the IT guys for this skulduggery as well as DWS) and the bigger smearing of anyone who goes against the establishment or makes populist (or demagogic) noises as a vector of foooooreign ideas

        even the Democrats defended the ACA 2009-10 by saying that they weren’t going to impose some Canadian system on America

        “Russiagate” was always about defeating WikiLeaks that were acknowledged as true and unbiased–in fact, to blame Trump on the persnickety, fickle, overscrupulous American voters who let a little thing like documented cheating get in the way of defeating Trump

        that’s why I have my sigline–because they pushed Trump as hard as they could and were delighted that he was their opponent: just as “vote Blue no matter who” collapsed with Lieberman vs. Lamont, the whole apparatus of vote-shaming and hall-monitoring they subjected us to since NADER implodes

        it’s also resurrected the mentality that drove the entire US half of the Cold War, but on the left of center: we already lost three buildings and an archbishop when that mentality ruled the GOP

        the only way for Sanders to take over the party is if the DWS/Awan/Rich thing blows up and takes out the cheaters, and chasing Russiagategate is the main road to making those DNCers squeal

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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          33. Yes, accusing reformers, progressives, socialists, even abolitionists of being

          influenced or controlled by foreign ideas is an old trick of the right in American political history. For most of that history, including now, the Democratic Party has been part of the right. Today’s Republicans have gone so far right that many of them would be welcomed at parties by antebellum Southern plantation owners. I’m sure our current President would welcome the latter at his golf clubs.

          The Third Way used to be an unknown commodity, and therefore salable to voters against the likes of George HW Bush, or later, John “Bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb bomb Iran” McCain. Now they are known, and they are known to be sanctimonious liars who betray their own voters and are just…weak. IOW, they’re completely worthless. And the DNC wonders why it’s broke.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • MistaP (7342 posts)
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            34. the DLC's warmed-over Reaganomics would've been dead by 2004

            had it not been for its attachment to a charismatic guy who needed a lot of defending

            2016 was even sort of a rerun of 2000, even with the flipped pop-vote numbers, lack of majorities, and strong overshadowing by a sitting 2-term Dem Prez who was coming under mindless attacks by the GOP that’d taken over Congress

            http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • Koko (4679 posts)
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        35. That's quite an overeach…

        You seem to feel that those of us who want Clinton and Foundation, along with DWS and the Awan brothers, to be investigated for their cover ups, criminality and manipulation of the 2016 Election along with more investigation of Hillary’s disastrous term as SOS which led us into more war with death, destruction, dislocation of millions of innocent families as  “conspiracy theorists?”

        I was surprised to see this coming from you:

        All you’ve got is text messages from a pair of FBI detectives working on the Hillary server fiasco who tell each other that Trump is a moron. That only proves their basic intelligence. The rest is a bunch of very circumstantial evidence piled on top of a presupposition that FBI/CIA/IC whatever conspired with the Clinton campaign to manufacture evidence against Trump of some, you would probably say nonexistent, Russian collusion so she could use that against him to win the election, or failing that, to have him removed from office.

        I do not see any more there here than I do there over there in “The Russians did it!” land. What I see are two highly improbable competing conspiracy stories that are sucking away attention from people like @davidthegnome having to wait and fight for just a little badly-needed taxpayer help while the Democrats cheerfully give away tens of billions more dollars to the fucking MIC.

        Meanwhile, about a third of Puerto Rico is still without power while the stock market dropped over a thousand points and is now entering what capitalist economists call “correction territory.” Maybe, just maybe, it will crash again. Right now I’m hoping it does.

        I suspect all those who tend to look for conspiracies, both left and right, are being played by at least one faction of our ruling class, the M$M, and played quite well at that. How do you like my conspiracy theory?

        • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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          39. An investigation is one thing. Presupposed conclusions are another, and that's

          what I see a lot of here. That Clinton, and the Obama Administration as well, really did all that they are being accused of doing, just like many here accept as fact that the CIA killed JFK. I don’t. I’m in the minority here in thinking that it is far more likely JFK was assassinated by one very disturbed man who had the means to pull it off.

          Just like the Democratic Party  and most of the MSM accept as fact that the Russians somehow influenced the 2016 elections. I have seen even less evidence of that than I have of the Clinton campaign’s machinations. You want a full investigation? Fine. But it’s just not that important to me. Say Hillary gets sent to a minimum security federal prison for awhile? So what? How does that improve my standard of living and that of my family?

          That last is my overriding issue.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • leveymg (4050 posts)
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        37. If Trey Gaudy was the sole source for all this, I could agree with you. But,

        as you know, the key to this is something that I first reported many months ago.  There’s a fact — contained in court records and DOJ publications — that even the Republicans don’t want to talk about, even though the facts are on the public record and available to anyone who wants to look at the documents.  Neither Goudy nor any of the others have brought this out, yet, so it is most definitely not a GOP talking point.

        This is from my original reporting, as published here on May 9, 2017:  https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/is-carter-page-an-fbi-informant-who-wormed-into-trumps-campaign/

        What’s notable here that seems to have evaded previous notice is that instead of being a Russian agent of influence, Page at the time he sprang briefly into a prominent role within the Trump campaign in early 2016, was already an FBI informant, something the Russians would obviously know. This becomes even more crucial later that summer after Page returned from a business trip to Moscow when he was repeatedly named in the James Steele “dirty dossier” as a close confident of Russian energy officials and bankers. Page actually appears to have all the hallmarks of an FBI informant, or an agent provocateur, who was planted into the Trump campaign as part of an intelligence operation. Only, it seems apparent, the intelligence service he was actually serving was American rather than Russian.

        That is significant for another very important reason – according to the Washington Post, the FBI obtained a FISA warrant last summer to spy on the Trump campaign under the pretext that Page was alleged to be a Russian agent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa

        The Russian UN employee [was arrested and] charged with two others in [January], 2015. There is an interesting section in the Justice Department press release that accompanied the March 11, 2016 conviction of one of the three Russians [Evgeny Buryakov]. Seemingly overlooked by everyone are what appear to be at least some intriguing suggestions that Page is not the unwitting Russian pawn he has been made out to be by most of the media, and was instead quite aware of his role in FBI operations:   https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-connection-conspiracy-work

        BURYAKOV worked in New York with at least two other SVR agents, Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy. From November 22, 2010, to November 21, 2014, Sporyshev officially served as a trade representative of the Russian Federation in New York. From December 13, 2012, to September 12, 2013, Podobnyy officially served as an attaché to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations. The investigation, however, showed that Sporyshev and Podobnyy also worked as officers of the SVR. For their roles in the charged conspiracy, Sporyshev and Podobnyy were charged along with BURYAKOV in January 2015. However, Sporyshev and Podbonyy no longer lived in the United States and thus were not arrested.

        BURYAKOV’s Co-Conspirators Are Recorded Inside the SVR’s New York “Residentura”

        During the course of the investigation, the FBI recorded Sporyshev and Podobnyy speaking inside the SVR’s offices in New York, known as the “Residentura.”

        The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices. Sporyshev then took the binders to, among other places, the Residentura.

        During subsequent recorded conversations, Sporyshev and Podobnyy discussed, among other things, Sporyshev’s SVR employment contract and his official cover position, their work as SVR officers, and the FBI’s July 2010 arrests of 10 SVR agents in the United States, known as the “Illegals.” [emphases added]

        While there seem to be some remarkable coincidences, it is not known if Page is actually UCE-1 or, it seems more likely, the FBI used Page to introduce one of its own employees pretending to be a coworker in Page’s NYC-based energy trading company, who subsequently passed bugged binders to the Russians. Page was previously reported in court papers to have been identified as “MALE-1.” [ https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/01/26/buryakov-complaint.pdf ] It’s all the more curious that Page should have two years later attached himself to the Trump campaign, and is now the central figure in “Russiagate.” Stranger still, that none of this has previously been remarked upon in any major media.

        Here’s how ABC portrayed these events when it broke part of story about Page in April: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-advisor-carter-page-target

        Undercover FBI agents lured Buryakov and his SVR associates, Igor Sporyshev and Podobnyy, into a trap by masquerading as well-placed business sources ripe for recruitment while using physical and electronic surveillance to gather enough information to build their case.

        No reference by Newsweek or ABC to an FBI undercover employee posing as an energy analyst or the bugged binders, which suggests that Page (or an agent pretending to work with him) had more than a passive role in the electronic surveillance placed by the Bureau.

        [ . . . ]

        Keep in mind the chronology here.  In June 2013, Carter Page, an analyst from a New York-based energy company, met with and agreed to cooperate with the FBI in its investigation of suspected Russian intelligence agents in NY.   At page, 13, paragraph 34 of the Affidavit supporting the January 23, 2015 application for an arrest warrant for the three Russians:  https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/01/26/buryakov-complaint.pdf

        34. On or about June 13, 2013, Agent-2 and I interviewed

        Male-1. Male-1 stated that he first met VICTOR PODOBNYY, the

        defendant, in January 2013 at an energy symposium in New York City.

        During this initial meeting, PODOBNYY gave Male-1 PODOBNYY’s

        business card and two email addresses. Over the following months,

        Male-1 and PODOBNYY exchanged emails about the energy business and

        met in person on occasion, with Male-1 providing PODOBNYY with

        Male-1’s outlook on the current and future of the energy industry.

        Male-1 also provided documents to PODOBNYY about the energy business.

        Later that summer, the FBI using an Under Cover Employee, “UCE-1”,  posing as a “analyst from a New York-based energy company” passed a bugged binder to one of the Russians.  According to the March 11, 2016 USDOJ press release issued on the day Polobnyy plead guilty: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-connection-conspiracy-work

        “(“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices.

        Another fact that the public doesn’t yet seem to understand is that since a US person was involved, in order to pass the listening devices on to the Russians, the FBI would have had to obtain a FISA warrant.  That means that a FISA warrant was obtained for Carter Page during the summer of 2013.  These warrants expire, but can be renewed.

        Move forward to 2016.  In January, Carter Page first approaches the Trump campaign seeking a foreign policy position, touting his experience as a NY energy analyst with experience in Russia.  On March 11, 2016, Polobnyy pleads guilty, and the USDOJ issues a press release that all but identifies Page as “MALE-1.”  Surely, the SVR have known this for a long time, at least since late January, 2015, when three of their agents were arrested by the FBI.  Two of them are under UN diplomatic cover, so they were immediately released and flew back to Moscow, where they were no doubt thoroughly debriefed.  Only Polobnyy, who is a Non-Official Cover (NOC) agent, was prosecuted, and Page testified against him as MALE-1.

        Back at SVR Headquarters in Moscow in early 2015, Carter Page is no doubt discussed and identified as having had a role as an FBI informant.  How is it, then, that Carter Page could have been subsequently acting as an agent of Russian intelligence colluding with others in the Trump campaign, as the Dirty Dossier tells us?  See, in particular, page 17 of 35 of the Dossier, which identifies Page as the prime mover of the alleged plot within the campaign to obtain from the Russians and release Hillary Clinton’s emails.

        Let’s stop here, for a moment.

        If the FISC Court in October wasn’t informed of all of the above, and was indeed portrayed in a subsequent warrant application as a Russian agent, the FBI and USDOJ misrepresented fact to the FISA Court Judge.   This would almost surely mean criminal fraud on the part of the officials who prepared the warrant application and in evidence gathering pursuant to the October, 2016 FISA warrant application.

        However, there is another explanation.  Everyone we have heard from, so far, is bending the truth.  Carter Page seems to have been an operative of an intelligence agency all along, just not one controlled by the Russian government.  Instead, beginning in June 2013, we know from the court record that he was recruited by the FBI and became a cooperating informant with US intelligence.   This was apparent to the Russian SVR no later than January 2015, when the three Russian agents were arrested.

        First, everything that Carter Page did after that time was done on behalf of the FBI.  Second, everything that the Russians allowed to be said to or around Carter Page after January 2015 was with this fact in mind.  When in the summer of 2016, Christopher Steele reported on what his sources told him about the activities of Carter Page in Russia and inside the Trump Campaign, in effect,  Page was a disinformation agent of Russia working for the FBI, and Page was being used by both to set up Trump.

        If all this wasn’t made clear to the FISC Court in 2016, the Judge was sorely misled into issuing the warrant.

        • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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          38. I agree with you that at least one FISA warrant was fraudulently obtained. What

          I disagree with is how important this all is. I don’t care any more about Clintonite corruption and influence-peddling than I do about Russian attempts to influence our elections. These are just not primary issues for me. For example, very existence of the FISA courts is more important to me; I think they never should have been established in the first place and should be abolished. Secret courts are anathema to any kind of democratic republic or representative government.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • leveymg (4050 posts)
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            40. I agree, the 1978 FISA Act was an effort to legalize Fourth Amendment violations

            by the US Government conducting warrantless wiretaps inside the US against Americans that were uncovered by the Church and Pike Committees.  That was a couple years earlier when Congress was still doing its job of investigating such violations.  The burden of proof for obtaining a FISA warrant is lower than the Title III requirement of probable cause.  Therefore, evidence gathered by a FISA warrant can’t be directly used in subsequent criminal prosecution.

            After FISA, nonetheless, the American people lost their constitutional right to be free of gov’t surveillance without a probable cause showing of criminal involvement in foreign espionage or terrorism.

            Most of the amendments to FISA thereafter have been to simply legalize the increasingly intrusive and universal illegal surveillance conducted after it gets exposed.

            We now see that FISA warrants are being used by one Presidential campaign to entrap the other.  Time for some major changes.

            • Ohio Barbarian (7197 posts)
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              41. Thanks. We may disagree on some things, but on public policy I think we agree

              more often than not, and to me, that is simply more important in the larger scheme of things.

              Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Aerows (4548 posts)
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      26. I think Hillary was knee-deep in hiring people doing dirty dealing

      and dirty work.

      I’m couching it in terms that I hope most can get a grip upon what I really mean.

      Don’t want to get anybody in trouble ;)

      © by Aerows 2018 Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
    • Oilwellian (163 posts)
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      42. Blumenthal is DC's premier Ginny Woman lol

      One minor correction…Blumenthal’s emails were hacked in 2013 and Hillary’s private server went public then, not 2015.

      http://www.thompsontimeline.com/842/2013/03/15/march-15-20-2013-various-international-media-outlets-reveal-that-guccifer-broke-into-blumenthals-email-account-and-discovered-clintons-private-email-address/

      • leveymg (4050 posts)
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        43. It wasn't until March, 2015 the public learned about her private server

        True that Guccifer hacked Bluementhal’s email in 2013, after HRC left State Dept., but it took nearly two years for this to reach the NYT.  It wasn’t until the House Committee subpoenaed her email  records that anyone, seemingly, notice that she hadn’t been using the State Dept. system.  Several agencies combed through them before the American people got a clue.  See, e.g.,  https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html

        It wasn’t until August that the AGs of the IC and State Dept issued a letter stating that there were numerous classified documents transmitted.  Nonetheless, she doubled-down, and the show went on.  That’s how we come to where we are.