The jig’s just about up for Ukraine.

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    • #491740
      Ohio Barbarian
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      How do I know this? Because of article like this one in Politico that are basically saying the Ukrainians can’t win no matter how much grifting Biden and Congress do in their name:

      The Biden administration is touting another $1 billion package of military aid to Ukraine, including thousands of rounds of critically needed ammunition for the grinding fight in the Donbas. But the U.S. announcement Wednesday was met with an outcry from Ukrainians and reporters on the ground, who all had the same complaint: It’s not enough.

      Ukraine is only able to fire 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds per day, Ukraine’s Deputy Defense Minister HANNA MALIAR told our own CHRISTOPHER MILLER in an interview — which means the 36,000 rounds the U.S. is sending in its latest tranche of assistance will last Kyiv roughly a week. Russia, meanwhile, fires nearly twice as many in a single day.

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      “If Ukraine is not given weapons, heavy weapons, air defense and missile defense today, then we won’t be able to survive this war,” Maliar said. “This shows the imbalance of power. It is clear how many weapons Ukraine needs in order to enter parity in order to win this war.”

      The problem is that most of Ukraine’s artillery from before the invasion is Russian-built and fires 152 mm rounds that are no longer available to Kyiv. NATO countries are filling the gap by supplying Western artillery, including U.S. M777 Howitzers and 155 mm munitions. But this weapons flow is limited because it comes from Western inventories.

      Full story here. 

      It will never be enough. The Russians are just going to keep methodically grinding away until all of their objectives in Ukraine are achieved. Ukrainian resistance is futile. The West will not militarily intervene because Russia has nukes and the Pentagon won’t obey any order to start a nuclear war over a country of no vital interest to the United States.

      So Biden and Congress will keep the billion or so a month grift going for a few months until Kiev finally yields to the inevitable. Meanwhile, the federal government will not house the homeless, give Flint clean drinking water, provide adequate health care, or do anything about the inflation now ravaging working class Americans.

      It makes me so proud to be an American.

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    • #491752
      jbnw
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      I see the videos every day.

      I do not know how Russia will respond. My speculation is that the West is hoping for a strong response to justify Western troops sent into Ukraine.

      Alexander Mercouris agreed with me on Wednesday’s live chat —

      But until then, Ukraine drafts untrained civilians, with some reports saying up to 1000 killed each day.

      Thanks, Joey, for bringing diplomacy back – but I don’t think that word means what you think it does.

    • #491754
      NV Wino
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      But then there would be no current situation for the US to exploit.

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    • #491759
      jbnw
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      The West still continues to send weapons and a LOT of money, and Ukraine is doing mass conscriptions of untrained civilians and even just asked Poland to deport male Ukrainians back to Ukraine.

      Leaders of Europe were just in Kyiv, and Boris Johnson just showed up in Kyiv as well.

      Sure, Biden is now publicly saying disparaging things about Zelensky, but also just sent another billion after a phone call with Zelensky.

      I think this conflict will go on as long as Ukrainians are willing to have massive amounts of Ukrainians die.

      And that may be until the conflict moves into western Ukraine and it affects the lives those who live there.

      Or it may take Russia to take the next step and take out electricity generation in the West. If Kyiv and Lvov are without power, internet and mobile phones it may show them what they face.

      But, as any rational person says when they speculate, I don’t know how Russia is planning to respond to, well, anything.

    • #491940
      Average Gazoo
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      and then negotiations are impossible. The US would want Russia to occupy Ukraine while they use mercs and extremists to keep some kind of guerilla war going eg. a replacement for Afghanistan.

      Russia says it does not want to occupy western Ukraine, only those eastern provinces and the southern shore to Crimea. So that would be a scenario where the proxy war just goes on and on in the Donbass and neighboring provinces.

      Be the Change

    • #492032
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      Well maybe the fact that Russia just took out 50 top brass and a bunch more weapons might just give them pause. Russian generals go to the front lines US and Ukraine not so much. Now their are are a lot less kings in the pot

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      • #492078
        Ohio Barbarian
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    • #492098
      Babel 17
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      A lot of which might get destroyed by Russian missile attacks before it even gets to the Ukrainian artillery locations.

      I guess it’s also a give away of those exact positions to Russian artillery, assuming Russia is able to track the delivery trucks or trailers, and the manner of the ultimate delivery of the rounds to the Ukrainian forces. Color me curious as to how comprehensive Russia’s surveillance is of Ukraine.

      If Russia records all their satellite/drone/aircraft video surveillance, and uses that with the photos taken, then imo they can often backtrack deliveries of supplies to front line units all the way to the warehouses or depots they came from, and possibly also where they entered Ukraine.

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