The ‘Lab-Leak’ Theory Is Not Of Equal Value – Promoting It Furthers The China Hawks

Why was it closed then reopened then closed again?

“that clearly adds fuel to the idea that China inflicted COVID-19 upon the world, that they did this to us, “

No, it doesn’t. Nobody said it was leaked intentionally. Bottom line- the pandemic started in Wuhan, there is a virology lab there. The possibility of a leak needs to be investigated. It’s nothing like Russiagate which was made up out of nothing by the DNC.

It wasn’t a cover up so much as an information war. There were scientists who challenged the suppression of the lab leak hypothesis from the very beginning. So it was never some airtight “coverup” so much as a lack of scientific or forensic evidence for either hypothesis. One of the Chinese foreign ministry spokespersons remarked yesterday, that the US isn’t sincere in its demands for a transparent investigation; if it was it would open up Fort Dietrick lab records and those of other biological warfare labs to international inspection. It’s really unrealistic to think that either nation would subject itself to foreign intrusion like this. In the case of China, especially so, considering its experience with colonial powers humiliating it for over a century.

It has been my theory all along that there was an accidental leak at the Wuhan Lab, which we know was doing research on that type of virus. By the time we discovered the deadliness of the virus, everyone went into “the dog ate my homework” mode, and without transparency from the Chinese, we can only speculate and theorize about the specific origin.

“It is a sad experience to see that several writers I like and often agree with are now propping up a Russiagate like conspiracy theory about the origin of the novel coronavirus.”

Please show me what the two actually have in common.  I’ll wait.

And here we come to the real mountain of horse shit:

“Besides the hazy science, there is an undeniable political aspect to this argument. When violence against Asian people in the US is spiking, it’s naive at best and violent gaslighting at worst to pretend that supporting an evidence-free hypothesis that clearly adds fuel to the idea that China inflicted COVID-19 upon the world, that they did this to us, is noble scientific dispassion. There’s a choice being made here between two ideas — one that falls neatly within the world of biology, and the other that knots together conspiracy theory, political intrigue, and xenophobia.”

No.  These are separate issues.  There has always been violence and xenophobia – and during the pandemic, yes, they have grown worse.  There are certainly some who blame Asians, or Chinese people in general.  Those people are idiots.  They were always idiots – and they were always going to idiotically find blameless people to bully, hurt and harass.  That is what idiot bullies do.

It is not evidence free.  Simply on the surface – as Pam2 pointed out, there is a virology lab in Wuhan.  There were Doctors working for this lab who were quite specifically working on gain of function research that quite specifically had to do with coronavirus.  They were attempting to further enable transmission.  Now perhaps that is all just a ridiculously huge coincidence.  Perhaps it is coincidence that there was, almost immediately following the outbreak of covid19 – an enormous PR campaign to convince everyone that China was blameless, that they had no fault, that it could not possibly have been a lab leak.  At the very least, anyone who suggested otherwise was ruthlessly mocked and belittled.  Now we have learned that there were at least three people who worked at the Wuhan lab, who became ill with covid19 like symptoms in November of 2019.  Perhaps that is a huge coincidence too.

Perhaps it is a huge coincidence that Dr Shi’s records (an individual working on precisely the kind of research applications that may have caused this) were immediately sealed.  Perhaps it is a huge coincidence that China was remarkably more prepared for this virus than any other Nation.

When you throw enough “huge coincidences” together, it reads like: BULL SHIT

Honestly, I’m disappointed in myself that I didn’t put that together sooner.  That I believed the people telling us it was all just some accident of nature – and not something that people should have been leaving the fuck alone, instead of trying to manipulate.  Hey, perhaps its a huge coincidence, too, that Fauci has been an ardent supporter of gain of function research.

Sorry, too many coincidences for me.  It is not gas lighting to ask these questions, nor to mention the many seemingly huge coincidences.  It has nothing to do with being a China hawk.  It has to do with learning the truth.  I am certainly not alone in thinking that, if it was indeed caused by a lab leak, the U.S. was almost certainly involved.  Officials throughout the world who head massive organizations were almost certainly involved.  It would not require every doctor, researcher and government official being in on it.  Only a few at the top to manipulate and distribute the information as they saw fit.  Much like with every type of “state run” media.  Like ours.

So, no.  It is not an evidence free hypothesis, even if you simply apply your common sense and a very little bit of critical thinking.  It may not be proven as fact – yet.  All those huge coincidences though, they add up.  In order to do something about this kind of problem – before it happens again, it might help to be aware of it, to have a firmer control or international agreement that… well, fuck, maybe we shouldn’t be trying to create these things that kill millions of people, that we can neither cure nor control.  IF – and I will stress the – IF – because I am not completely convinced yet – but if this is indeed a lab leak, then that needs to be known in order for the appropriate actions to be taken.

Of course those responsible would lie about it.  Of course the leading officials would lie about it – they do not want us looking too closely at what they actually do.  Therefor, every single one of them should come under a microscope.  I am well past the point where I would consider trusting these officials at their word.

Crossfire Hurricane was the code name for the counterintelligence investigation undertaken by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from July 31, 2016, to May 17, 2017, into links between Russian officials and associates of Donald Trump and “whether individuals associated with [his] presidential campaign were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election“.^[1] Trump was not personally under investigation until May 2017, when his firing of FBI director James Comey raised suspicions of obstruction of justice.^[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation)

Also Robert Mueller isn’t the DNC either. In fact he is a Republican.

I liked this article though. Read further down and it criticizes both Greenwald & Dore.

(1331) Robert Mueller on Iraq War and WMD’s – YouTube

Nope, he’s not with the DNC.  He’s with a different corrupt acronym.

Rigorously examine all plausible theories advanced?  Are you for REAL?  It is absolutely plausible that China’s lab in Wuhan leaked a virus under examination there, with sloppy safeguards, lack of security.

That’s a more general point.  And you’ve posted links to that pro-DNC Sludge Report more than once, unfortunately.

But people will take it seriously, if it confirms their biases.

Having read the MoA piece, I’ll say that the fact that ‘journalist’ Nicholas Wade’s promotion of the lab leak theory doesn’t inspire confidence.

Wade used to be a science writer (Science, NYT), now retired and recently put out a book (A Troublesome inheritance) that explains various facets of human development and abilities (including e.g. IQ) as genetically based, shades of Charles Murray (The Bell Curve) who, unsurprisingly, praises Wade’s book — which cites Murray, of course.  Wade was prep school at Eton y’all.  The playing fields of Eton.  From there to Cambridge. 

Born in the incubators of privilege.  Where, you know, folks tend to intermarry, leading to phenomena like the Hapsburg lip and congenital idiocy.

So we’re back to “Some folks are dumber than others, they can’t help it, it’s genetic” — every 20-30 years the same schisse comes back like a bad penny, to infect those who haven’t yet developed immunity to schisse.

Wade argues in another book (The Faith Instinct) that religious behavior evolved via natural selection….it’s selected for because it benefits the group.  So all you JPR folks saying religion makes people kill each other…take that from elite brainster ‘science’ person Nicholas Wade!  No, it’s naturally selected for and ensures survival!!

Unless possibly they were thinking about possible benefits of reducing their own population.

I’m thinking that if the chinese stats on cases are correct, they’ve been able to do a way better job containing the virus than the US has.

That seems to conflict with the supposedly (some claim) sloppy standards and lack of containment/security in their biolabs.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

316 current active cases in the whole country, 91K cases during the whole pandemic. <5K dead.  Case counts more or less flat since Mar 2020.

Doesn’t make sense to me they’d run labs so differently.

But I guess people’s biases are different depending on their politics.

Very basically, he assumes that when anything bad happens, that the CIA or some other American, or at least Western, intelligence agency is behind it. If not the intelligence agencies, then the corporations buying off corrupt government officials. It’s always Western imperialism at fault, which means that the rivals of that imperialism, such as the Russians and Chinese, are always innocent and have the best of motives at heart.

IOW, he’s an example of typical American dualism. If the American government is bad, then its rivals must be good. It’s a pattern that goes back since I’ve been seeing people post this guy. This time, the Chinese must be entirely innocent because it’s all some deep, dark, CIA-or similar agency plot.

It ain’t necessarily so.

Everyone has biases. If you think you arent biased in some way,,,well,,,. Also, in my view america is the biggest shit stirrer in the world with the biggest propaganda machine of all time. Who else has 7-800 bases scattered everywhere? MoA is a good source. Mabye some of you have a pro america bias.

“Whether it be a natural occurrence, which I believe, or it was lab leak is pretty much irrelevant at this point. ”

No, it’s not irrelevant. If it was a lab leak, they need to change what led to the leak so it doesn’t happen again.

 

Whats really interesting, is we get to discuss  a “conspiracy theory” out in the open on the main page of jpr just because the cia controlled msm tells everyone its ok. And yes, im very aware of my own bias (of which there are many) The point is be aware of your biases and act accordingly. A Great Weekend to All!! 😆