The most ridiculous headline in modern US history: "How Biden Could Be The Most Liberal President In Modern U.S. History"
May 23, 2020 at 2:21 AM - Views: 110 #318162N2DocParticipant
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Six weeks ago, when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the presidential race, it seemed like the Democratic Party’s left wing suffered a major and potentially long-lasting defeat. Not only had Sanders lost, but former Vice President Joe Biden had won while casting many left-wing ideas as both unrealistic and detrimental to Democrats’ chances of winning elections.
But if Biden is elected in November, the left may get a presidency it likes after all — or at least one it hates less than anticipated. The coronavirus outbreak and the resulting massive surge in unemployment has moved American political discourse to the left: Ideas that would have been considered too liberal for most Democrats a few months ago are now being proposed by Republicans. And if American politics is moving left, expect Biden to do the same. Biden was often cast as a centrist or a moderateduring the Democratic primaries, but those labels don’t really describe his politics that well — he doesn’t really seem to have any kind of set ideology at all.
Instead, Biden’s long record in public office suggests that he is fairly flexible on policy — shifting his positions to whatever is in the mainstream of the Democratic Party at a given moment. So if Biden wins the presidency and his fellow Democrats are still clamoring for more government spending to help the pandemic recovery, Biden is likely to be a fairly liberal president, no matter how moderate he sounded in the primaries.1
Mr. Bacon should be ashamed of himself for writing this crap
May 23, 2020 at 2:35 AM #318168chknltlParticipant
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“Attila The Hun’s Favorite Horse Was A Unicorn Named Mr. Ed!”
(While it was never proven, rumour has it that Atilla recieved advice from the beastie!)
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May 23, 2020 at 3:16 AM #318191chknltlParticipant
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…when it comes to where he puts his paws uninvited!
It dawns on me that those poor sods over at SV are forced to eat this sort of horse poo.
Not only do I have a bridge to sell them, being from Tacoma I can offer them an additional bridge for free as long as they cover the shipping and handling!
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May 23, 2020 at 3:40 AM #318206mrdmkParticipant
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Biden has been characterized as a moderate Democrat. He supported the fiscal stimulus in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the increased infrastructure spending proposed by the Obama administration; mass transit, including Amtrak, bus, and subway subsidies; abortion rights; same-sex marriage; and the reduced military spending in the Obama administration’s fiscal year 2014 budget. His views regarding abortion have changed over the years, with him initially opposing federal funding for abortion and supporting the Hyde Amendment, stating in 1974 that the Supreme Court’s decision of Roe v. Wade “went too far” and “that a woman [does not have] the sole right to say what should happen to her body.” In a 2006 interview, he said “I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it’s always a tragedy[.]” However, in 2019, he dropped support of the Hyde Amendment, calling Roe v. Wade the “law of the land”, and stating that he would work to codify the decision into federal law.
Some political scientists gauge ideology by comparing the annual ratings by the Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) with the ratings by the American Conservative Union (ACU). Biden has a lifetime liberal 72% score from the ADA through 2004, while the ACU awarded Biden a lifetime conservative rating of 13% through 2008. Using another metric, Biden has a lifetime average liberal score of 77.5%, according to a National Journal analysis that places him ideologically among the center of Senate Democrats as of 2008. The Almanac of American Politics rates congressional votes as liberal or conservative on the political spectrum, in three policy areas: economic, social, and foreign. For 2005–06, Biden’s average ratings were as follows: the economic rating was 80% liberal and 13% conservative, the social rating was 78% liberal and 18% conservative, and the foreign rating was 71% liberal and 25% conservative. This has not changed significantly over time; his liberal ratings in the mid-1980s were also in the 70%–80% range.
Various advocacy groups have given Biden scores or grades for how well his votes align with their positions. The American Civil Liberties Union gives him an 80% lifetime score, with a 91% score for the 110th Congress. Biden opposes drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and supports governmental funding to find new energy sources. He believes action must be taken on global warming. He co-sponsored the Sense of the Senate resolution calling on the United States to be a part of the United Nations climate negotiations and the Boxer–Sanders Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act, the most stringent climate bill in the United States Senate. The AFL–CIO gave Biden an 85% lifetime approval rating, and he voted for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Even our good friend Philip Cross has been doing some editing. Looking at the history, it has been very busy. I looked at about a month ago (should have taken a screen shot) and it had Biden looking as liberal as they come. Now it is all over the place and looks like the Biden campaign has given up on it.
If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields
May 23, 2020 at 5:01 AM #318240Jim LaneParticipant
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The point, which I would have thought JPR members would be quick to recognize, is that the competition for the title is depressingly weak.
If modern history is deemed to go as far back as FDR, I’d give it to him. Let’s recognize, though, that if there had been a JPR back then, any suggestion that FDR was liberal would have been ridiculed by people pointing, with considerable justification, to the Japanese-American internment and his devil’s bargain with the Southern white supremacists.
In all of U.S. history, LBJ is second only to FDR in effecting liberal changes in domestic policy. His problem, of course, is Vietnam.
If “modern” means the last fifty years, then LBJ just misses consideration. The eligible candidates are: Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, Bush43, Obama, and Trump. Who’s your pick for most liberal out of that field? (We’re not asking here to pick the tallest player in the NBA. There’s also a tallest first grader at your local elementary school. None of them are very tall, by NBA standards, but one of them must nevertheless be the tallest.)
None of those modern Presidents compiled a liberal record in the FDR/LBJ range. The author of the linked article has a point, that the pandemic has suddenly legitimized liberal policies in the eyes of many Americans. As a result, it’s at least possible that anyone other than Trump who is inaugurated next January will be pushed by circumstances to emulate the New Deal or the Great Society.
May 23, 2020 at 5:04 AM #318242Hobbit709Participant
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Nixon was to the left of Biden. and I hated Nixon with a passion.
I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.
May 23, 2020 at 8:26 AM #318305Jim LaneParticipant
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I’m pursuing this question of who is the most liberal modern President. I’m inclined to pick Obama, and I think there’s some possibility that Biden would govern to Obama’s left.
May 23, 2020 at 12:27 PM #318348Cold Mountain TrailParticipant
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carter was more liberal than obama by a mile.
May 24, 2020 at 1:02 AM #318476carrotguyParticipant
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agreed. the article (as written) is accurate. as accurate as a “what if” could be
May 23, 2020 at 11:09 AM #318335Bernie BoomerParticipant
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and found myself laughing a paragraph or so in. Mr. Perry was either writing tongue-in-cheek or from a position of such utter fatuousness that it cannot be taken seriously.
” . . . the left may get a presidency it likes after all — or at least one it hates less than anticipated. “
” . . . but those labels don’t really describe his politics that well — he doesn’t really seem to have any kind of set ideology at all.”
” Biden’s long record in public office suggests that he is fairly flexible on policy — shifting his positions to whatever is in the mainstream of the Democratic Party at a given moment.”
Damned with very, very faint praise, though I suspect Mr. Perry thinks that being a weathervane is a good thing and isn’t really being glib.
May 23, 2020 at 11:15 AM #318336
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