The Night Socialism Went Mainstream
February 14, 2020 at 8:47 AM - Views: 74 #268744
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ominee. They’ve already begun attacking Democratic congressional candidates whom they lump together with Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, another progressive who has identified as a democratic socialist. Trump, however, has already gone a step further in trying to tar Sanders’s ideology as fundamentally un-American. “I think he’s a communist,” the president told Fox News’s Sean Hannity in a pre–Super Bowl interview. “I think of communism when I think of Bernie. You could say socialist, but didn’t he get married in Moscow?” (Sanders did not get married in Moscow, but he and Jane Sanders did take their honeymoon in the Soviet Union in 1988.)
While some Republicans, including the president, may salivate at the prospect of facing Sanders in November, his rise within the Democratic Party is alarming to conservatives who fear that the concept they have spent their entire professional life trying to discredit is suddenly catching hold again. “I view it as really dangerous,” David McIntosh, the president of the conservative Club for Growth, told me about the prospect of Sanders winning the nomination. “Don’t assume that if Bernie gets the nomination, it’s a layup and you’re going to beat him. All of us have to redouble our efforts.”
In 2016, many Democrats were rooting for Trump to win the GOP nomination on the grounds that he would be an easy opponent in the fall. Conservatives should not make the same mistake with Sanders, McIntosh told me. As for socialism, he acknowledged that the term was not as resonant with voters as it was during the height of the Cold War. “Is it enough to just say socialism is bad?” he asked. “We do have to explain to the American people why it’s bad, why we think freedom is a better alternative. We need to do a better job of that. Bernie hopefully will be a wake-up call to all of us on the conservative side as well.”
Sanders and his supporters point out that conservatives will try to affix the socialism label to any Democratic nominee, no matter how centrist the person is. But to people like Cohen, the battle to reclaim socialism isn’t worth the fight in 2020. “We can’t afford to lose voters based on labels,” he told me.
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February 14, 2020 at 11:46 AM #268782
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They even call Obama and Pelosi “socialists”.
Anyway, we are living in the world created by the neoliberals and the free traders. We don’t even have the universal not for profit health care enjoyed by the rest of the developed world. The Democratic Party ( the liberal party?) has betrayed our interests at every turn.
I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".
February 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM #268789
The Red MenaceMember@twilightsporkle
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Socialism is more American than apple pie. Socialism enjoyed widespread support from the 1870’s all the way to the 1950’s. its epicenter was actually farm country – the now ‘red” midwest, with urban centers following second. Amazingly FDR’s new deal did more harm to the progress of socialism in the US than any frantic gibbering from the right – and that was the intent, to cut the legs out from under a burgeoning socialist movement during hte Depression, in order to preserve the political position of milquetoast northeastern liberals (if yall think FDR was some sort of radical, you’re mistaken – he was just a capitalist trying to find a way to keep capitalism going during an inevitable capitalist meltdown.)
Socialism is built on hte basis of all people are equal. No one is more worthy than another. Human needs must be accessable ot all humans, and society should provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. These are incredibly basic moral concepts that we’re all taught in kindergarten. They’re the ideals we usually regard as “american” when we have a strange burst of patriotic feeling. What is NOT american is the authoritarianism of either the Fascist Republican party, or the weirdly semi-monarchist Democratic party. Both parties are fundamentally un-american in their current state.
And at least some of us are trying to un-fuck at least one of them and bring it back to where it should be.
February 14, 2020 at 1:46 PM #268806
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Many of the first English settlers in New England signed charters before they set sail that they would share goods and land in common and democratically elect their leaders. The term “socialism” didn’t exist yet, but the Chartist movement sure did, and its ideas eventually gave rise to 19th Century socialism.
@twilightsporkle is right. Socialism is as American as apple pie. Or beer.
It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs
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February 14, 2020 at 6:37 PM #268933
The Red MenaceMember@twilightsporkle
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Though in fairness, the mayflower compact was kind of necessary. After all, the puritans weren’t the only colonists on the boats… and the planned destination had been Virginian, not Massachusetts. so there was a bit of, ahem… strife (i.e., the pilgrims hijacked a ship and were very close to having a violent rebellion on their hands without a big compromise…)
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