The Politics of Avoiding Inconvenient Truths and the Cargo Cult of Russiagate

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  • #46121

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Since Attorney General Barr’s summary of the Mueller report became public, a whole cast of characters who have been waiting for the Mueller report like fundamentalist Christians waiting for the Rapture have been twisting themselves into the most curious shapes in order to justify their, and I mean this quite literally, ridiculous faith in something that never could have existed.

    Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller was tasked to investigate whether or not “the Russians” attempted to interfere with the 2016 presidential election, whether or not anyone on the Trump campaign conspired with them in order to do so, and whether Donald Trump subsequently obstructed justice. Barr’s summary, which no one on the Mueller team has disputed(and Mueller did previously dispute claims about his investigation which were false, so there’s no logical reason to think he wouldn’t do the same thing if Barr’s summary was bullshit) says three things:

    1. Russians did attempt to interfere in the elections by a troll farm broadcasting memes, by hacking the DNC emails proving that the DNC acted as a wing of the Clinton campaign during the primary in order to guarantee Clinton the nomination, and giving said emails to Wikileaks.
    2. There is no evidence that anyone on the Trump campaign conspired with the Russians on Thing #1.
    3. Trump may or may not have done anything to obstruct the investigation into Things 1 and 2, and there will be no more indictments in the probe.

    As for #3, Mueller essentially copped out and said it wasn’t for him to decide whether or not the evidence he gathered, which has not been released, was enough to indict anyone in general or impeach the President in particular. Since I have not seen that evidence, I’m not going to speculate on what it may or may not be. We’ll know more eventually, but I doubt it will be anything to threaten Trump’s presidency or else Mueller probably would have said so.

    It’s Issue #2 that I’m going to focus on now, because it’s that one that some members of the Democratic Party, in particular Adam Schiff , Hillary Clinton, people on her campaign, and the “liberal” corporate media, most especially Rachel Maddow and her congregation at places like SV, have been propagandizing about for over two years.

    They’ve been saying that the Russian government, directed by Vladimir Putin himself, attacked American democracy by interfering in the election, with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Trump campaign, and succeeded to such an extent that the Russian actions stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump. Some of them have compared the Russian actions to Pearl Harbor, even though over 3000 Americans died at Pearl Harbor in 1941 as the result of Japanese bombs and torpedoes and not one single American even got a hangnail from whatever the Russians actually did in 2016.

    Hillary wrote a book called What Happened? which blamed everyone from Putin to Bernie Sanders to maybe some of her staff but never herself for her loss to the Orange Weaselshit, and Maddow, from what I have seen here on JPR, on alternate independent media, and on SV has dedicated nearly every broadcast to proclaiming that Donald Trump is a traitor, a Russian agent, and a total tool of Vladimir Putin because of money or pee tapes or I don’t know what all.

    Maddow and other “liberal journalists” have eagerly anticipated the Mueller report as The End of Trump. They have also avoided talking about the other crimes that Trump has almost certainly committed, or the effects of his disastrous kleptocratic policies on the American people and the entire biosphere, of his administration’s  rampant corruption that has benefited less than 1% of the American population, or his continuation of the Forever Wars. Just as importantly, they have also avoided talking very much about a certain presidential candidate going round the country attacking the whole political and economic establishment and drawing huge crowds for this early in an election cycle.

    And never, ever, have either of them talked about the fact that climate change is here, large and in charge.

    Why? Hillary’s corruption is so well-known I’m not going to insult any JPRers by going into details. Rachel Maddow is paid $10 million a year by her corporate masters to sell her snake oil to as many gullible suckers as possible, and she has done quite well with them, if SV is any indication. Why, even now they are throwing up wild theory after wild theory on that site, everything from Mueller was secretly fired to there is some revelation that is being hidden to Adam Schiff is so wonderful in his bulldog determination to prove the unprovable he should run for President.

    It’s like they are Pacific islanders in the late 1940’s building planes of straw in hopes of bringing back the Sky People who once gave them chocolate bars and SPAM after driving away the Japanese demons. They’re building runways in their own minds in hopes that Maddow will come back and give them hope that Trump will still be proven to be a Communist agent and locked up, never mind Russia hasn’t been Communist for at least 28 years.

    Facts don’t matter to cultists, be they the Russiagate Democratic cultists of today or the Republican Whitewater, Benghazi or Pizzagate cultists of yesterday.

    As I see it, the sad and disgusting truth is that neither Clinton nor Maddow have any real objections to Trump’s kleptocratic behavior, because both of them benefit from the same corrupt oligarchical system and only hate Trump because it is he and his friends, rather than they and theirs, who are sucking up the lifeblood of the American economy. Meanwhile, their cultish partisans either benefit from the same system themselves, or are just poor, pathetic victims of yet another bullshit American cult.

    And the really dangerous and unforgivable thing about them is that they were willing to use the rhetoric of the darkest days of the Cold War just to avoid admitting that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, hated politician who shouldn’t have been supported by anyone in 2016 who claimed to have the best interests of the American people in mind. She’s a fraud, through and through, and proved it in 2008 when she lost the nomination to a totally unknown candidate at the time, because Obama couldn’t have possibly been any worse than her.

    I really, really don’t want to talk about this any more. I’m going to have a shot of bourbon now. Thanks for reading and have a nice night, or day.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #46187

    KenTankerous
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    Cannot disagree with any of this, cousin. Enjoy the bourbon. Got some tequila here.

    "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
    - Henry A. Wallace

  • #46241

    David the Gnome
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    Happy to recommend for the daily radical!  @deadpool

    That done – you know what occurred to me, quite strongly yesterday?  This whole thing, all the blame for Russia, the accusations against Putin, the constant propaganda campaign and so on and so forth… it at least inspires suspicion and some level of paranoia among the populace that listen to it – and take it even the least bit seriously.  So in that way, it eats into our conscious, even perhaps our subconscious, making us suspicious.  Repeat something often enough…

    So, it was all that evil Trump – and that evil Russia and Putin.  He’s a traitor!  They bought him!  They must pay!  How?  Well, of course, we’ll bring back cold war era policies, enter a new arms race – all of which will require us to continue to boost the military budget!  Maddow, Trump, Clinton, Schiff – all of them, working towards the same goal… my biggest question is whether it is intentional/deliberate, or just a really “convenient” coincidence.  Then I remember what several wise people have told me: There are no coincidences.

    So, we have that.  We have the saber rattling over Venezuela, over nuclear weapons, missile systems, Syria, what have you.  More money… more money for the military.  Or else!  Disaster!  Chaos!  Rabble in the streets!  Is it a happy accident that the conclusions of most of these accusations – even from people on entirely different sides of the political fence – are promoting the new cold war?  Hell, via the propaganda machine, they even got millions of people to help them do it – eagerly, because they believe this stuff.

    So, I have to wonder…

    Where do we follow the money to?

  • #46243

    David the Gnome
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    I feel the need to add something – it will be, I warn you, a bit mushy.  Perhaps more than a bit, but…

    I remember at one point, on the earlier version of JPR, you said you were proud, happy to be included among writers like me.  I said then – and will say now – that it is I that am honored and proud.  I have learned a great deal from you, over the years, my friend.  Even when I have been angry, petulant… foolish, you have been a friend to me.  You have written many great pieces – that in a saner age would all be on the front pages of daily papers.  You are one of the people that makes me most proud to be a radical.  It is an honor, a pleasure – and a true privilege to share this place with you.

    You will always have my respect and my gratitude, for your friendship, your wisdom – and your compassion.  You are a truly rare individual – and you have my deepest admiration.

    As always, you hit it out of the park.  Great post – from a great man.  I don’t think I say these things often enough – and some times, they just need to be said.  Keep on rocking, bro.

  • #46244

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Where do we follow the money to? My favorite aunt, who was a flapper when she was a very young woman in the 20s and a populist curmudgeon somewhere to the left of Molly Ivins in the 80s and 90s, told me that if you follow the money, it nearly always goes back to either the oil companies or the MIC, or both.

    Seems to me my dear departed aunt’s reasoning holds true on this whole Russiagate nonsense as well as it ever did on anything else.

    @davidthegnome I clicked on the wrong reply button again.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #46246

    emme
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    OB, I’m guessing your aunt probably read “War is a Racket” by Gen. Smedley D. Butler.   Written in 1935, and as   true today as it was then.  Sadly, wrestling   control away from the MIC has proven impossible.  I’m surprised the book has remained in circulation, but given the majority pay no attention to it….well, best place to hide the truth is in plain sight.

    • #46254

      Ohio Barbarian
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      She not only read it, but told a story of actually meeting Smedley Butler once–I don’t know if that last part is true, for she was a native Texan and saw nothing wrong with telling a tall tale if it proved a point. As she herself said, “I can bullshit with the best of them; that’s why I know bullshit when I hear it.”

      She recommended it to me when I was in high school, so yes, I’ve read it. It blew my mind at the time.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #46333

    sadoldgirl
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    Ah, but #1 is the one they will hang on to, to the detriment of our

    foreign policy (as much as we still have one). Yet Mueller never

    talked to the VIPS nor to Assange, which he could have done

    easily. Since that point is dubious, the rest may be too. I take

    the Mueller/Barr report not as a work of an investigation, but

    rather as the “final” statement of the establishment and the

    whole effort as a 2-3 year means to divert the public from

    important issues.

    • #46343

      Ohio Barbarian
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      I agree the claims of the intelligence agencies are dubious at best, but it really doesn’t matter to me how the DNC emails got to Wikileaks. All that matters is that they did, and that they exposed the corruption of the Vichy Democrats for all with eyes willing to see. That is the inconvenient truth that will never go away.

      The Russian Facebook memes are trivialities not even worth mentioning.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      • #46429

        rudycantfail
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        But if those two things, the dubious at best hack claims by the intelligence community and the click-bait troll farm are not credible, and they’re not, then Mueller’s entire report looks like a sham. Without a credible #1 holding it up, the whole things falls apart because Mueller’s admitting there was no truth to any of this propaganda storm. Propping up a false #1 saves face for the intel community, the establishment duopoly and their media. It’s exactly what an establishment hack like Mueller would do.

        The Russian Facebook memes are absolutely worth mentioning because they’re so lame that it undercuts whatever cred Mueller has. Are we fighting the establishment or not?

        • #46442

          MistaP
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          and Mueller 1. took the job knowing it was a. based on an effort to reverse Trump’s foreign policy and b. based on a snorking big hoax and 2. didn’t deliver anything the Dems, etc., wanted: he Comey’ed himself

          I’ve noted that the DNC hacking is the most disprovable, least investigated aspect of this and therefore needed the most shoring up: Reality Winner, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and the free flow of social media were all easy targets

          more dangerous long-term is the adoption of conspiratorial thinking, that all dissent and unrest is caused by the Kremlin: it’s been mainstreamed, it’s bipartisan, these people aren’t kidding about helicopter flights

          First we will kill all the subversives,

          Then we will kill their collaborators,

          Afterwards their sympathizers,

          Right after that those who remain neutral,

          And, finally, we will kill the fainthearted.

          –Brig. Gen. Ibérico Saint-Jean, 1977

          • #46455

            rudycantfail
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            I agree that the main motive the intel community had in backing this fiction was to bring a rogue and strong-willed President under heel on foreign policy.

            I’m sure they were none too pleased with Trump hammering W, Jeb and the establishment GOP for their lies leading to the Iraq War and getting thunderous applause for it from a conservative audience live and on prime time.

            Nor do I think they were very happy about Trump saying hey, if we’re really in Syria to fight ISIS and Russia is there to fight ISIS also then why shouldn’t we and the Russians cooperate to destroy ISIS. We’d whip ’em in no time. Again to thunderous applause. The thought of the big chessboard players seething at those comments made me laugh.

             

          • #46458

            sadoldgirl
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            It is clear,MistaP, that this report is directed against the anti-war

            movement. No, the “hacking” by the Russians will stand for the

            public, because any “evidence” will be redacted. Cannot smear

            the IC!:)

            • #46538

              MistaP
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              @mistap

              note that it was always an anti-WikiLeaks move: the announcement of the DNCleaks and Trump’s joke about Russia releasing what it’d hacked from Chappaqua started it and sucked in the other investigations (Strzok, Steele); everyone from The Nation to TPMemo was now synchronized and would never carry the truth, and PropOrNot would smother the rest (including JPR)

              https://web.archive.org/web/20180101202217/https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-dncleaks-age-one/

              hiding the acknowledged truth about Clinton became the only standard of democracy

        • #46462

          Ohio Barbarian
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          We’ll never know, now will we? I mean on the DNC hack or leak. I don’t know whether the Russians hacked the DNC or if it was a leak. I have seen no convincing evidence either way. I’ve seen stuff that claims it was impossible for it not to be a leak, but I’m no IT guy and that alleged evidence is based on very deep IT stuff.

          Point taken on the Russian Facebook memes. We were talking over each other, so to speak. I meant that the memes themselves had an insignificant impact on the election because they were so lame. You’re saying that bringing up their lameness helps to refute the assertion that the Russians effectively interfered and swung the election to Trump. I agree with you 100% on that.

          My starting point, being in Ohio, is that Hillary lost the Midwestern states because of NAFTA. The Russians had nothing to do with it. It was Hillary Clinton whom voters rejected, with no assist from any Russian, and while the DNC emails didn’t help her, I don’t think the election would have ended any differently had we never known of their existence.

          That’s another reason I’m so sick of talking about this shit.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          • #46549

            sadoldgirl
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            While I understand your being sick of it, I doubt that this issue will

            disappear. They may not be able to put lipstick on the pig, but will

            give it instead fancy eyebrows.They invested too much time to let

            it go. If they spend the next year in the House to investigate the

            report or the author of it, they will give Trump further gifts. Most voters

            don’t like a POTUS to become a victim; they did not like it with Nixon,

            nor with Clinton. However, the Dems have nothing else to offer.

            I wonder whether the Repugs in the Senate will now investigate the

            investigators. By now neither Party wants to govern, imho.

            • #46561

              Ohio Barbarian
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              Au contraire, they loved it with Nixon. I remember it well. They loved it so much they never forgave Gerald Ford for pardoning Tricky Dick, and that is why Jimmy Carter won in 1976. And the Democrats do have something to offer in spite of themselves:

              We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #46524

    Deadpool
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    I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

  • #48476

    Deadpool
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    I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

    • #48478

      Ohio Barbarian
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      Well, thank you for not putting this on the DR while you were still playing your April Fool’s prank. I’d really hate to make whatever passes for the Daily Radical on SV, for that would definitely mean I’d done something very bad.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #53022

    Cold Mountain Trail
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    “It’s like they are Pacific islanders in the late 1940’s building planes of straw in hopes of bringing back the Sky People who once gave them chocolate bars and SPAM after driving away the Japanese demons.”

    cargo cult

    ghost dance

  • #53025

    Cold Mountain Trail
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    @davidthegnome

    follow the money to defense contractors & their biggest stockholders for one trail, I’d think

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