The Problem Is the Unvaccinated

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      eridani
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      https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/70788-the-problem-is-the-unvaccinated

      It’s also very likely that the vaccines reduce rates of spread, perhaps quite significantly. Brown University School of Public Health dean Ashish Jha succinctly summarized what I heard from experts time and again over the past week: “Vaccinated people are far far far less likely to spread the virus than unvaccinated people.” Since vaccinated people are less likely to get infected by the virus to begin with, they’re less likely to spread it to others, too.

      But we don’t know exactly how much the vaccines reduce the risk of spreading the coronavirus among the infected, including those without symptoms. Before the Provincetown study, experts widely believed that there was very little, perhaps even no, risk of spread by vaccinated people. Provincetown’s outbreak indicated that isn’t the case, in part due to the topline number: 74 percent of recorded cases were among fully vaccinated people. That high share suggested that there was at least some transmission among the vaccinated.

      Still, it’s possible to make too much of that topline number. For one, Provincetown during the Fourth of July isn’t representative of the country in typical times. The events that likely turned into a superspreading situation were a huge, citywide party, with bars packed and lots of close contact, physical intimacy, and sex. It’s a far cry from the risk of exposure that most people face during occasional trips to the grocery store, bars and restaurants, or movie theaters.

      But the more concerning finding in the Provincetown study is that, among those tested, the vaccinated people with breakthrough cases had the same level of virus in their noses as the unvaccinated people who were infected. Federal officials over the last week cited this to justify the changes in masking guidelines, arguing that it’s proof the delta variant could be potent enough that even the vaccinated are spreading it. Yet there are still unanswered questions, and several reasons that this finding might not be as alarming as it seems. First, only a tiny minority of vaccinated people get breakthrough cases to begin with, especially compared to the rate of unvaccinated people getting sick in hot spots or superspreading events. That means a vaccinated person’s chances of getting to the point measured in the CDC study are much lower than an unvaccinated person’s.

       

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    • #438851
      Pam2
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      Do you really think your constant barrage of articles blaming unvaccinated people is changing anyone’s mind? Just stop it.

      This article even admits vaccinated people can spread! Also nobody should be going into huge crowds.

       

      • #439017
        eridani
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        Most of the new COVID cases are in the unvaccinated, and they are seriously endangering children and people who can’t take the vaccine for medical reasons.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #438852
      lownslow
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      Ah, nothing like the smell of fresh propaganda in the morning 😆

    • #438866
      HassleCat
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      The problem is not the unvaxed. It’s the unvaxed who refuse because “I don’t want to and you can’t make me.” This has turned into a political fight, with those in the center and to the left getting vaccinated, and those to the right refusing. That’s a generalization, of course, and there are exceptions, but it’s like everything else we do. You can’t choose between coffee and tea without being labeled. Conversely, you are expected to make certain decisions based on your political affiliations. Here’s my take on the covid vaccine decision. If you have a legitimate medical reason for not getting vaccinated, fine. Otherwise, do your civic duty and get stabbed.

      • #438870
        GZeusH
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        If it was your patriotic duty to get vaccinated, and the virus had a foreign face with features you could hate on, the super-patriotic right-wingers would be all over it, like MacArthur in Korea.

        Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

        • #438876
          HassleCat
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          I always fall back on patriotism when explaining my vaccination and mask wearing to the right wingers. And I do think it’s my patriotic duty because that’s what patriotism means to me. I think patriotism involves suffering some inconvenience or sacrifice for the benefit of my fellow citizens, not waving the flag and dissing foreigners.

    • #438880
      Ohio Barbarian
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      They work exactly as intended. If you’re vaccinated, you have maybe a one in a million chance of dying from a Covid variant. If you are not vaccinated, you have about a one in 1000 chance of dying of the virus, and those odds get worse the older you are. These figures are not in dispute. All the talk is about the infection rate, not the death rate, and they are two completely different things.

      I don’t have a problem with people being reluctant to take the vaccine; that’s a personal choice. A choice with which I disagree, but nonetheless a choice. I do have a problem with unvaccinated people telling me I should mask up and maintain social distancing and not go to places with crowds because they wouldn’t do so, or because they are afraid. I think many of them enjoy being afraid, to be honest. And some never go anywhere anyway because they are introverts and/or misanthropes.

      The worst are vaccinated people, nearly all liberals, who want the mask mandates to continue so they can lecture and hector and feel morally superior and because they like the fashion of it. Yet they don’t give a fuck about the eviction moratorium ending and fully support moving the homeless out of their sights and minds.

      Yet they think they are better people than the Trumpers. They’re not, IMHO.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #439016
        eridani
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        –I am continuing to wear a mask despite being vaccinated.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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