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  • Babel 17 (4437 posts)
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    The pundits are missing a point or two regarding Obama's influence



    President Obama is still a person of enormous influence. Jimmy Carter is involved in high minded projects, and was never a party insider. Bill Clinton left office under a cloud, and is under a bigger one today. President Obama is IT as far as being the Democratic party’s face of distinguished alumni.

    President Obama is currently the one funneling the donor cash that the DNC is no longer getting. President Obama has a very prominent network of connections. It was he who determined who got the nudge needed to become the chair of the DNC.

    The Obamas will be able to determine who will have an incredible advantage by getting their endorsement.

    And finally, the most salient point. If President Obama takes Wall Street money then Wall Street money is clean money that everyone can take. If the Berniecrats point fingers at that then they’ll be called unrealistic, divisive, and worse.

    President Obama has enormous influence, and if he tells his pick who runs the DNC to let California move up its primary, he might well have determined who’s the next President of the USA. And that person might be no threat to those currently lining Obama’s pockets.

    It’s not that hard to understand how money can buy influence, and how influence determines elections, and elections determine policy. Wall Street has reaped an incredible ratio of benefits to the dollar from the relative pittance that goes to politicians. And that also applies to the bonuses and jobs they give to those of their friends who go off to serve in government.

    We no longer have the blinders on, and I think President Obama is going to be unpleasantly surprised at how many former supporters don’t sit still for what he’s doing. Imo it’s already at a critical mass. The BS argument that “Oh, he has to be the first ex-President not to collect big fees.” (along with its sometime companion, the suggestion of a racist double standard) isn’t going over as well as expected.

    Bill Clinton has gotten tons of heat over what he’s done, and so has his almost President wife. Carter didn’t do this, nor did Truman. And they weren’t well to do when they left office, certainly Truman wasn’t. The wealthy ex-Presidents, like LBJ, unsurprisingly had little interest in scrambling for fees.


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    • Silver Witch (6255 posts)
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      1. To the Daily Radical.

      @mary @admins to the Radical please.

      Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
    • Xyzse (3454 posts)
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      2. Yep! I've been saying that he is the major reason DNC has a funding problem.

      President Obama is currently the one funneling the donor cash that the DNC is no longer getting. President Obama has a very prominent network of connections. It was he who determined who got the nudge needed to become the chair of the DNC.

      Absolutely!  I can’t say this enough.

    • Mom Cat (15002 posts)
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      3. This pattern of "deferred compensation" is reprehensible! He is being paid a

      delayed bribe for delivering the goods!

           NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
      • Silver Witch (6255 posts)
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        6. Exactly MomCat.

        Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost~John Quincy Adams  
      • Babel 17 (4437 posts)
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        9. That's representative of institutional corruption

        You never ask, and quid pro quo is never offered, it just happens.

        Edit: lol, Christopher, in awe at the tables of luxury items, “You charge this to the room?”. Ben Kingsley, bemused, “Hmm?”.


        Edit 2: Chris: Is all this shit free? Carmine: I’m gettin’ that…

        Lol, yeah, it’s something all right. :)

        The two mobsters amazed at the scam that goes with being an elite. Kudos to Ben Kingsley for being a good sport with this bit.

        • Mom Cat (15002 posts)
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          11. Hopefully we can spread some of that lowly around!


               NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
      • BillZBubb (3025 posts)
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        10. YES!

        The con man is now getting his cut.

        DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
        • Mom Cat (15002 posts)
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          12. Exactly!

               NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
      • Enthusiast (12119 posts)
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        14. Exactly. Plus a bazillion!

        "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
    • Jefferson23 (7274 posts)
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      4. He worries me too, for the reasons you stated and the idea he can

      preserve a legacy beyond the reaches of reality. I do believe that is his main motivation. In the long run I don’t think it will work but he’ll try in his own way regardless. He was always a shrewder politician than Clinton, and she has imploded herself imo. Obama’s influence will be harder to thwart.

      Great OP, thank you.

    • GZeusH (2737 posts)
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      5. He's a crook as bad as Nixon.

      100% snake oil, nicely packaged.

      If you build a better mousetrap, the world will some conservative believer will condemn you for blaspheming his sacred mouse-god.
    • tularetom (2408 posts)
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      7. Asshole won two landslide elections while his party went down the crapper

      He worked his ass off to promote himself but did virtually nothing to preserve democrat majorities in both houses of congress, and at state and local offices throughout the country.  And he managed to leave office pretty damn well off, unlike the nearly broke Clintons :sarcasm:.

      I went home with a waitress the way I always do  How was I to know she was with the russians, too? Notary Sojac
      • 3FingerBrown (637 posts)
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        13. And on top of it

        this grifter is sandwiched between two of our worst presidents, so he will always look good by comparison to many Americans. Sad.

    • area woman (5833 posts)
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      8. Just added to the Daily Radical

      I'm so cute I shit kittens.
    • Fasttense (1608 posts)
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      15. And some of his most reprehensible policies are still being promoted

      I visited that other site and of course they are still in love with Hillary and do a good amount of Bernie bashing,  I expected that. But there were numerous posts still supporting the TPP and how the world would be perfect if only it had passed.

      The love of  insane Milton Friedman’s “free” trade is still strong among corporate Dems.

      • duckpin (6773 posts)
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        23. I think "free trade" and the "market economy" poll well. Capitalism is toxic

        so something has to be put forward for the rubes to use, and be used by.

        As we all know, large national markets and international markets are  artifacts of government: They can’t exist without government guaranteeing the rules and structure.

        The Friedmanite Lasseiz Fairytales are just that, divorced from reality, but capitalist apologetics pay the bills and that’s why the charade continues.

        "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
    • Flygirl (3018 posts)
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      16. Obama made big bucks$$ speaking to the Carlyle Group…

      Barack Obama to make $1.2m from three Wall Street speeches | The Independent
      The Independent › uk › … › US politics
      Sep 18, 2017 – Earlier this year, Mr Obama attracted criticism from several Democratic senators when it was … Trust Corp, which he spoke to last month, and an address last week to the Carlyle Group.

      Barack Obama commands $400K on Wall Street’s speaking circuit: Report – Washington Times
      Washington Times › news › sep › barack…
      Sep 18, 2017 – Former President Barack Obama speaks at the annual White House Correspondents’ … Additional sources said that he recently addressed members of the Carlyle Group LP and will …


      The Carlyle Group, integrated by the Bush and bin Laden families awarded a billion dollar contract to “rebuild” Iraq: – Global Research
      Global Research › ca › articles
      Directors of one of the world’s largest armament companies are planning on meeting in Lisbon in three weeks time. The American based Carlyle Group is heavily involved in supplying arms to the Coalition forces fighting …

      The Carlyle Group: C for capitalism – The Economist
      The Economist › node
      Jun 26, 2003 – The conference was hosted by the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm that manages billions of dollars, including, at the time, some bin Laden family wealth. It also employs Messrs Bush and Baker.

      Obama making big-money speeches to Wall Street firms: report | TheHill
      The Hill › blogs › blog-briefing-room
      Sep 18, 2017 – Obama made approximately $400,000 speaking to clients of Northern Trust Corp. last month, Bloomberg reported Monday. He also spoke with Carlyle Group LP last week and is slated to …
      Obama’s Recent Speeches Include An Administration-Connected Private Equity Firm – International Business Times
      http://www.ibtimes.com › political-capital › ob…
      Sep 18, 2017 – Years after the Obama administration’s EPA adjusted its renewable energy laws to favor the refinery owned by private equity firm Carlyle Group, the former president made a stop at the …

      The ex-presidents’ club | US news | The Guardian

      HOW WAR MADE THE BUSH FAMILY RICH ~ The International Coalition


      Quote: Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, it became known that Bush Sr. was financially linked to the bin Laden family. The Sept 28, 2001 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported that, “George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm.”

      When Sr. hooked up with the Carlyle Group, his special area of influence was the Middle East, and especially Saudi Arabia investors. One of the investors that he brought to Carlyle was the Bin Laden Group, a construction company owned by the family of none other than future US #1 enemy Osama bin Laden.


      According to an investigation by theWSJ, Sr. convinced Osama’s brother, Shafiq bin Laden, to invest $2 million of Bin Laden Group money with Carlyle.
      According to the WSJ, “The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years — 1998 and 2000 — as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families which, some experts argue, has never fully severed its ties with black sheep Osama in spite of current reports in a mainstream press that is afraid of offending the current administration.”


      Much like Bush Sr., Baker’s main duty was to manage the firm’s relationships with Saudi clients. He not only handled investment deals, it was also his job to look after the key interests of Saudi investors. For instance, when the Justice Department began an investigation into the financial dealings of Saudi Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, guess who the prince turned to for help? You got it, Baker.

      And get this, Baker is currently defending the prince in a trillion dollar lawsuit brought by the families of the victims of the 9/11. The suit accuses the prince of using Islamic charities to funnel millions of dollars to known terrorist groups linked to Al-Qaeda.

      Carlyle is also cashing in on the Homeland Security front and the enactment of the Patriot Act. Two Carlyle companies, Federal Data Systems and US Investigations Services, hold multi-billion dollar contracts to provide background checks for airlines, the Pentagon, the CIA and the Department of Homeland Security. USIS used to be a federal agency, until it was privatized in 1996 and snatched up by Carlyle. Needless to say, it’s now making money hand over fist.

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
    • incognito (2096 posts)
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      17. Obama doesn't have a clue

      about just how hated he is now. All the lies he told…”Hope and Change”, his determination to play nice with Repubs only to be the first Democratic president in history to put SS “on the table” as a fucking bargaining chip, he did NOTHING for the middle class, except the ACA – although he COULD HAVE PASSED SINGLE PAYER WHEN DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WH, he pushed the TPP until the day he left office, he ignored DAPL protestors and the military police brutality, he ignored all the innocent black people being murdered by police across this country, he expanded oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, he murdered thousands of innocent people by DRONES, he got us involved in 7 wars(!),  he sent the militarized police in to brutalize Occupy Wall St. protestors AND not one fucking Wall St. Crook went to jail for bringing our economy and the world economy to its knees. So, Obama can kiss my ass and I know I’m not the only person in this country who knows what he did and didn’t do.



      • Coldmountaintrail (4721 posts)
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        18. and the republican party is the party of dead souls….

        so what’s the plan now kiddies?

        • incognito (2096 posts)
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          22. They all think they're unstoppable.

          They have a rude awakening coming.

          The people are pissed and we’re not gonna take it anymore!


          • Coldmountaintrail (4721 posts)
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            27. hope you're right. we need a change from this trajectory.

      • Enthusiast (12119 posts)
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        19. Giant plus one!

        "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
      • VagrantPeters (780 posts)
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        20. + 1 He never did find those comfortable shoes either. nt.

        "It's alright Ma, it's life and life only."
        • incognito (2096 posts)
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          21. Exactly! He did nothing

          to help Unions.

          He did nothing to help anyone but the 1%.


        • Major Hogwash (3509 posts)
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          25. Perhaps not. Obviously because he preferred flip-flops.

          Say one thing . . do another.

          Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
    • Major Hogwash (3509 posts)
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      24. I would just like to point out something here.

      You said:

      President Obama has enormous influence, . . .

      Had . . . had enormous influence.

      It’s gone now.

      Obama is preaching to the choir by speaking at expensive Wall Street gigs behind closed doors.

      However, one of the biggest reasons many of us left the choir is exactly because he and Hillary preferred to speak to Wall Street corporate crooks behind closed doors.

      Where’s the fucking transparency in that? Excuse my language, but correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Obama say his administration would be the most transparent administration, evah!

      Well, didn’t he?

      Yes, he did . . and no it wasn’t.

      So, as far as influence goes, I’m sure he is impressing the same crowd that was already impressed with him, to begin with.

      I’ve moved beyond that.

      I want Bernie, or someone a hellova lot like him.

      In this, my response, I just wanted to point out that my vote is not for sale. I can not be bought. They say everyone has their price. Well, I don’t.

      I also want to point out that now that Obama has decided to get on the gravy train wagon provided to him by Wall Street, he can go fuck himself.

      I’m tired of Wall Street dictating our national policies by buying off Presidents. I’m done with that shit.

      Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
      • Babel 17 (4437 posts)
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        26. If he can sway who the Democrats nominate, he has influence as I mean it

        And that’s a big deal. He’s a rock star, and if a rock star says it’s cool to lap up Wall Street cash, then that will get emulated.

        But yeah, he has less influence on us now than he did back when he was saying Clinton broke no laws.

        He got elected two for two, in comparison to Clinton’s zero for two. It’s such a huge difference that it won’t even come up in polite conversation among the Democratic establishment. But everybody knows it.

        There was what he projected on first getting elected, and then there was the reality of how he governed. He hasn’t much influence in telling us who to support, I agree with you.

        Obama put a thrill up the leg of some in the media, and when he talks to those thrill seekers, they listen, and that goes for his surrogates as well. They can reach out to everyone in the media and plant in their ears whatever Obama wants them to hear.

        Who else on the Democratic side can sweet talk the press like he can, or influence the DNC, or cajole the Democratic establishment? He can fund raise umpteen millions for whoever he likes.

        Imo President Obama has given some subtle clues that it’s OK for the party to bid an adieu to Clinton. Biden set a tone with his remarks, for sure. And with Clinton cut adrift that diminishes the influence of her loyalists in the party, and increases that of Obama’s.

        Clinton can still fund raise large amounts of cash. But if Obama wants to put his stamp on a cause or a candidate, that will be the label that’s most prominent.




        • Coldmountaintrail (4721 posts)
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          28. Obama presided over the most serious loss of black net worth since maybe


          Not sure who he’s influencing anymore, with black voters 70s% positive about sanders.

      • Koko (4911 posts)
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        29. Good Points….!

        I don’t see how he can have much influence…The Bloom is Off his “Hope & Change Promise.”  It died pretty much when he took office and the deals he made before his inauguration were being revealed.    From then on ….it was downhill..but, not all could see it that early.  By the end of his first term, even his die hard supporters should have known better…but, sadly, what was the alternative.


        “Had . . . had enormous influence.

        It’s gone now.

        Obama is preaching to the choir by speaking at expensive Wall Street gigs behind closed doors.”