davidthegnome (1990 posts)February 13, 2018 at 5:05 am
The Real Attack on Free Press
Some are not going to like what I have to say here – but I think it needs to be said and often repeated.
The real attack on free press is coming…from the media. Particularly from mainstream sources like MSNBC, fox, CNN and so on. They are not only constantly peddling allegations as facts, they are also, openly and loudly… calling for censorship of any dissenting material.
This is an authoritarian’s wet dream. If this attack is successful (and so far it already has been) it will have the effect of both discrediting and censoring news media coming from independent and/or international sources.
You can see this in the attacks on “Facebook and Twitter propaganda”. Also RT and other popular left wing media. Articles posted by the Washington Post, even links to “blacklisted” sites, such as, for example: ours. JPR. No I am not kidding.
Add to this the attacks on independent shows like Jimmy Dore’s, even Thom Hartmann, Cenk, Schultz, the list goes on and continues to grow.
The elimination of net neutrality will further effect this. It will most likely throttle independent media, video and so on. Meanwhile, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google and other media giants are complicit in this, willingly censoring much media themselves to avoid bad PR.
It all began with Russiagate – and allegations that Russia used these outlets to promote their propaganda. The irony is… these same outlets promote American propaganda every day, particularly that which is sanctioned by mainstream media and state authority.
It will end (If we do not stop it) with an internet… and indeed an entire world, where some views cannot be shared. Where “real news” can only be determined by official sources, who, nonetheless, regularly lie or distort the truth to suit their own agenda.
It is like every day is Christmas for these media hacks and the corporate powers that control them. The public is being intentionally misled in order to actually destroy what free press remains.
Don’t buy into their narrative. The internet is global and ought to be free. To share thoughts, stories and ideas. To form the human coalitions that, in the future, will make the world a better place.
They are trying to destroy the last bastion of free speech and free press… and so far It is working…chknltl, bobthedrummer, WillyT and 45 othersOhio Barbarian, Pam, Blackspade, avaistheone1, snot, ChefEric, ZimInSeattle, mossyfrog, cui bono, ThinkingANew, hopemountain, travelerxxx, Cassiopeia, Shlabotnik, 3FingerBrown, Yanath, xynthee, Babel 17, canoeist52, mrdmk, Scott Crowder, Koko, leveymg, Populist Prole, Utopian Leftist, Admiral Loinpresser, glinda, JEB, 99Forever, Charles, ctsnowman, Two way street, HomerRamone, PADemD, kath, ravensong, OCMI, NV Wino, Johnny Rash, Iwalani88, jwirr, Enthusiast, duckpin, aspirant, Marym625 like this“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
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Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 5:13 am
1. On The Daily Radical
There ya go again, posting a great article
I don’t know why you think people won’t like this. They’re absolutely pushing this crap. WaPo pushing the Propornot crap is proof enough. Look at the actual news sites that were on that. Naked Capitalism, Truth Out and Truth Dig,, just for a few.Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #1) February 13, 2018 at 5:25 am
3. Oh I know plenty
In my own family who would be pissed off at the assertions I am making. Their news generally comes from mainstream sources. They buy the whole “Russian propaganda means we need censorship!” Idea.
I am sure there are others on more mainstream sites… which shall not be named, who feel the same. Take Jim Carrey’s recent attack on Facebook for not doing enough to crack down on “Russian propaganda”. This man is well liked by millions on the left… If he says it..
I think general consensus at JPR mostly agrees with my take on this, or at least worries that I am right. Others, I fear, may actually approve of the censorship if they do not look further into it.
It is a story that, I think, needs to be told. I have friends on Facebook pushing the official narrative. If I posted my own view on it, I suspect there would be enough complaints to censor this op-ed on facebook.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #3) February 13, 2018 at 6:07 am
9. It's a fact
Hard to argue that. Well, in these times, it’s not. Just make up your own and push it hard. (Don’t know whether to laugh or cry)Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #9) February 13, 2018 at 6:57 am
15. Pretty much.
Anything can be labelled as fake news. Even an article promoting a better welfare system could, conceivably be called Russian/communist propaganda by some. If round one is fully successful, round two will be to attack “communist propaganda” and then “socialist propaganda”… finally ending with “liberal” and even “conservative” propaganda.
Neoliberalism is set on a path to own all information, even thought, as if such things can be genuinely owned.
I predict that, within 10 years round 2 will begin and “socialist propaganda” will become a regular term in mainstream media.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #15) February 13, 2018 at 3:57 pm
28. Wouldn't surprise meat all
It’s a brave new worldTake Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
MistaP (7342 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #3) February 13, 2018 at 11:26 am
21. –and algorithmically "downrate" everyone who shared it
Salon, Slate, Vox, Vice, Daily Beast, DU, DKos, HuffPo, RawStory, AlterNet, ThinkProgress, TPMemo, Smirking Chimp, Lawyers Guns Money, Mother Jones, The Nation, Tom Tomorrow, The Guardian, Snopes, FactCheck, CREW, even Cracked and The Onion were synchronized
under Clinton–unlike Obama–there would be no alternative media, no opposition to the WH from the left, because either Her campaign members would be in key editorial positions or the outlet would be distracted and frightened by the media and Executive Branch’s careful releasing of dark news about Trump/Russia every month: the people who’d most dig in to Her would be either chloroformed or, like Hersh or Parry, unwitting or simpatico parts of the Russian pipelinehttp://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
amylsacks (186 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #1) February 13, 2018 at 7:54 am
Seemed like when I was still on Twitter, there was this big call for we, the little Lefties, to rush out and support the NYT, WaPo, etc. To which I said, those entities built Trump’s career. They spent decades on it. Now he’s blustering at them for show, and they’re crying about their goodness for show. It’s all just performance for bucks. NYT, WaPo, et al. can eat my shorts. And honestly I saw how *most* of the so-called “alternatives” aped them in their treatment of the Greens. So most of them, IMHO, can munch away, too. It gets tiresome as hell, being told to have the backs of entities which have never had mine, not even once.
This was not a real popular opinion of mine. (Like I’ve got any at all. LOL.) But you know, it’s pretty obvious if you lived through the 80s and have a memory which stretches back further than 10 minutes. :DWho wants art? http://www.ipernity.com/doc/327151
Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to - post #18) February 13, 2018 at 3:58 pm
29. They started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
amylsacks (186 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #29) February 13, 2018 at 4:58 pm
One of many jaw-dropping moments on Twitter was seeing people still following Judith Miller for any reason other than to ridicule her worthless a**.Who wants art? http://www.ipernity.com/doc/327151
Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to - post #30) February 14, 2018 at 4:57 am
ZimInSeattle (1778 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #1) February 14, 2018 at 2:01 pm
32. Yes, it all began in late 2016 with WaPo's PropOrNot bullshit article.
WaPo later had to post a sort of retraction. Other sites included were ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch. I haven’t bothered with mainstream news outlets ever since.Proudly #DemExited & #LeftOut | "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
Marym625 (28800 posts) (Reply to ZimInSeattle - post #32) February 15, 2018 at 5:08 am
34. Once in awhile
I’ll look at corporate media when there’s something going on. Like that horrible shooting yesterday. Watched both CNN and fox. It’s what they had on at work.
But that’s it.
aspirant (1977 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 5:24 am
2. Here's a thought
Stop paying for cable TV or buying newspapers because they are well funded by corporate advertisers and don’t need our money.
Let’s start demanding they pay us a monthly fee to consider their propaganda
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to aspirant - post #2) February 13, 2018 at 5:31 am
4. I'm all for that.
My parents aren’t. Especially my dad who pays for dish network mainly for sports and news. We’ve had arguments about it, but it’s his money, he can spend it how he likes.
If I ever live on my own again, it’s Netflix and Hulu for entertainment only. I’ll continue to get my news online from people with integrity… For as long as I can.
It is not too far a stretch to go from “Russian propaganda! Censor!” To: “Left/Right propaganda! Censor!” It really isn’t. The powers that be are attempting to seize control of internet media… and it is working.
I only hope the majority catches on before it is too late.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
FugitiveBirdie (1890 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #4) February 13, 2018 at 6:31 am
11. It's time to take the gloves off.
The media is complicit in the Oligarchy control of the country.
The media has a professional responsibility to seek the truth and speak truth to power.
I have had enough of them not only shirking their responsibility but purposefully lying to serve their own interests.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to FugitiveBirdie - post #11) February 13, 2018 at 6:36 am
13. Much like politics…
We have to get the corporations and huge cash out of media. That is the only way I think it can be changed. Meanwhile, it is indeed time to take the gloves off and fight for what free press remains.
Good post. You are absolutely right.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
jwirr (4254 posts) (Reply to aspirant - post #2) February 13, 2018 at 5:56 am
8. Our whole family is moving to Roku – 7 households this month. Plus sometimes
we just go in to see what they are up to now. What the fools in TPTB do not understand is that as they take over various economies we are finding ways to unhook.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to jwirr - post #8) February 13, 2018 at 6:32 am
12. Looking forward
To being able to pull the plug myself some day. Won’t happen for a while, but at least I can usually ignore or mock MSNBC when my dad is watching it… has led to some interesting (and hilarious) arguments.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Eleanors38 (883 posts) (Reply to aspirant - post #2) February 13, 2018 at 1:01 pm
duckpin (6356 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 5:42 am
5. Military – Industrial – Financial – Informational Complex – MIFIC
Ike was right 65 or so years ago but things have changed. As a share of GDP, manufacturing is is down to 12% and speculative finance is well over 20%. There is little industrial activity in the USA compared to finance.
With the Bezos Post getting a reported $600 million from the CIA for computer services, it’s apparent that the media – the information – is part of the ruling class establishment and people need to realize this. The media are pursuing the class interests of the owners and that’s why they function as propaganda outlets, not information outlets.
Free press, as traditionally understood, exists at some internet sites and some small circulation periodicals."The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to duckpin - post #5) February 13, 2018 at 5:46 am
Now though, even that free press that remains is under attack. It is not enough that they control all mainstream sources, they want the rest. I’ll be damned if I let them take it without a fight…. going to post some variation of the OP on Facebook, censorship be damned.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
duckpin (6356 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #6) February 13, 2018 at 5:48 am
7. Good for you. The internet should remain accessible and uncensored."The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 6:23 am
10. Posted to facebook.
Looking forward to seeing if this gets taken down, particularly as it criticizes Facebook itself. Will let you all know.
(Only had to edit like one line to make it more applicable in general)“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
nevereVereven (3916 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 6:49 am
14. Heartily recommended!A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.
Two way street (2973 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 7:36 am
16. US is taking control of the news and newspapers in Mexico too.
When we lived in south Texas, we read the newpapers from Mexico during the time of the Regan wars in Central America in the mid 1980’s so we could find out the truth. We had lots of neighbors that could interpret better than we could. Now the RedState is putting a stop to this:
Los Cuinis,” said John E. Smith. , the acting Office of Foreign Assets Control director.
Mr. Gonzalez Valencia, who was arrested in February and designated by Treasury as a kingpin in April, awaits extradition to face U.S. federal charges.
A Treasury spokeswoman and U.S. Embassy officials declined to provide further details on the allegations against Mr. Libien Tella.
In a statement posted on Uno Mas Uno’s website and on social media Wednesday, Mr. Libien Tella, 45 years old, denied any connection Los Cuinis and offered to cooperate with a fuller U.S. and Mexican investigation into his company and himself. He suggested that U.S. investigators were led astray by Mexican counterparts with political or financial motives to hurt himself and the family’s business.
more at site linkDraft Bernie for a People's Movement against Fascism.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to Two way street - post #16) February 13, 2018 at 7:49 am
If their attack on international media online is anything to go by… Then this is a global thing.
Example of how media in the US works… conversation between two regular people…
1: omg, did you hear the report about how our own government spies on us and collects data on, well, everything?
2: No. The media reported this? When?
1: Well, it actually came from Edward Snowden, a former government agent…
2. So, is he being thanked for revealing this? Are big heads rolling… are people going to jail?
1: Well, no… American politicians and media members are calling for his execution or assassinstion… he fled to Russia probably one step ahead of an assassin’s bullet…
2: But someone is being charged Right? I mean, this is illegal isn’t It?
1: Actually no, or I don’t think so… nothing like that is going on… hey, did you hear about what that Assange fellow did?
……..“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Two way street (2973 posts) (Reply to Two way street - post #16) February 13, 2018 at 9:42 am
19. Obama used U.S Departments to go after Intelligence whistleblowers. Keep in
mind that the Global drug trade is Kingpinned by Kissinger and the CIA-in my opinion. The CIA can set anyone up, and use the government of the U.S., to allege and enforce.Draft Bernie for a People's Movement against Fascism.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 10:13 am
20. Just a reminder…
Here is the list of supposed Russian propaganda outlets: http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html?m=1
We have a place there, too. Frankly, I think we should be honored, comrades, we are pissing off the right kinds of people.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
mrdmk (521 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #20) February 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm
22. Frankly, that has to be the most stupid list ever presented for public viewing
Here is a list of related projects (whatever that means):
EU Disinformation Review
CEPA Infowar Project
Digital Forensics Research Lab
To Inform is to Influence
Boycott Russia Today
Real or Satire?
Fort Liberty Hoax Sites
Fake News Watch
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to mrdmk - post #22) February 13, 2018 at 1:16 pm
25. I don't disagree
I suspect it was formed by some of the Clinton campaign people. Probably as a way to attack those who criticized her. Notice who’s not on the list? Lots of sites that supported the Clinton campaign.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Babel 17 (4212 posts) (Reply to original post) February 13, 2018 at 1:10 pm
24. Establishment functionaries with bylines
Only explanation for the dozens of attack articles on Sanders in one day at The Washington Post, and for the idolatry of Bush as he destroyed Iraq as a state that could provide for its residents.https://www.votetulsi.com/bumper-stickers/free
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to Babel 17 - post #24) February 13, 2018 at 1:20 pm
26. Funny you should mention Bush.
A Facebook friend just posted a link to an interview where he says, basically, that Russia helped Trump cheat in the election. Strikes me as kind of hilarious that various “left” media sources and individuals are using this to push the story.
I mean… really? Bush? The guy we all acknowledge lied us into an illegal war? Now they are saying he is…uh… I don’t know, worth trusting on this issue?“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Babel 17 (4212 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #26) February 13, 2018 at 1:29 pm
snot (1141 posts) (Reply to original post) February 14, 2018 at 10:56 pm
33. Absolutely agreed.
The media’s long, stony silence on the consolidation of media ownership and the now nearly-complete defeat of net neutrality also confirms the point.https://www.battleforthenet.com/ 1% “To Do” list:
1. Control banking; 2. Control communications (including “news” media); 3. Control the government; 4. Control education ; ....
Enthusiast (11527 posts) (Reply to snot - post #33) February 16, 2018 at 5:24 am
43. Exactly correct."I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
vattel (1795 posts) (Reply to original post) February 15, 2018 at 5:21 am
35. I am deeply opposed to censorship but also aware of the huge pile of bullshit
Russian propaganda that masquerades as genuine news. CNN and Fox and MSNBC are horrible–no doubt about that. But the Russian propaganda that gets regurgitated all over the internet at pretend news sites and blogs is enough to make me vomit. If you believe those sources, you might believe that Sy Hersh said that Obama conspired to smuggle sarin gas into Syria, that Assad does not use torture, that hostility to Putin’s Russia is largely a Jewish phenomenon, that the US has actually been trying to strengthen and support ISIS, etc., etc. It is sad that some members of JPR repost and so amplify some of that propaganda. But no site is perfect.
The best antidote to bad speech is not censorship, but more speech, speech that reveals the truth.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to vattel - post #35) February 15, 2018 at 5:36 am
Basically, while we may not agree on several points, we agree about some – and about the solution. Speech. More speech. Not censorship. That said, I would hesitantly and humbly offer some advice… in general, to anyone reading.
The things that, today, may be absolute facts… tomorrow may not be. Challenge them. Dispute them yourself, examine them. Be honest with yourself about it.
If we are unwilling to challenge our principles, beliefs, even our “facts” then they are not worth much.
Just my two cents.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
vattel (1795 posts) (Reply to davidthegnome - post #36) February 15, 2018 at 5:37 am
avaistheone1 (1199 posts) (Reply to original post) February 15, 2018 at 6:38 am
38. Right on!
Excellent post davidthegnome.I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst. Gore Vidal
Blackspade (3559 posts) (Reply to original post) February 15, 2018 at 11:07 am
Bernin4U (641 posts) (Reply to original post) February 15, 2018 at 2:35 pm
40. Thing is, the “right” hate this too.
That is, those who weren’t necessarily so much for Trump, but could clearly see how the MSM (/ PTB) we’re so in it for Her, against maybe Rubio.
Of course Trump plays this up to make him look more mavericky. “He’s one of us, not one of them,” is the idea.
But it’s also why we need to get past the whole “left vs right” (artificial) constraint, and start trying to see these people more as our allies. Bernie was never afraid to speak to them (quite inclusively), and they even started to listen.
But if all they hear from us is “left vs right”, then they’re just going to assume we’re nothing but Hillbots. Just how the media wants it.
Satan (3286 posts) (Reply to original post) February 15, 2018 at 11:09 pm
41. Can't leave the vile as fuck Sinclair Broadcasting out of the discussion.
Even folks who never watch a cable news channel (FAUX, MSNScumcast, etc) have to get their news from somewhere, and the local TV channel is usually the default choice. Except in most of the country now, those local TV stations are owned and operated by Sinclair – a company so sickeningly right wing that they make Rupert Murdoch’s gang look slightly sane, by comparison.
Worse yet, Sinclair in recent years is turning up in places where right wing media should have never been allowed to exist, and certainly wouldn’t be the choice of the viewers in those markets. Seattle & Portland, for example…. where the ABC affiliates in both cities were previously owned by a regional company called Fisher Broadcasting, which has since been swallowed up by Sinclair. The Devil doesn’t get up to Cascadia that often lately, but when I do, I have noticed the difference in the news content on those stations. Tribune media also owns TV stations in the region, and if Sinclair succeeds in their hostile takeover of Tribune, that will mean the extreme right has even more control over the news sources available in “Deep Blue Cascadia”.
Don’t expect progressive talk radio to save them either… that got thrown under the bus back in 2012 when Willard Mittens Romney took over Clear Channel and wanted revenge on those he blamed for losing the election. At least the weed is legal, and they can vote by mail.Fuck Kamala Harris. Fuck Borey Crooker. Fuck Joy Reid. And FUCK Hillary Clinton & her husband for destroying the Demoncratic Party.
davidthegnome (1990 posts) (Reply to Satan - post #41) February 15, 2018 at 11:39 pm
In a sick, scary kind of way. A massive, right wing conglomerate to rule them all…
A few years ago I was hired to work at a radio station up here. I didn’t realize until after I got the job, that it was a whacked out right wing station. They hired me to program the board… run all programming, produce ads, as well as manage a couple live shows.
I had no experience at all, but after a week of training, they put me in the position of “programming director”. Funny, because the only people working there were me and the manager, the guy who trained me was the former programmer.
They paid 9 dollars an hour, which at the time I thought was great. 30-35 hours a week, careful to keep me just under full time.
Anyhow, the programming was the Rush Limbaugh show, Howie Carr and Glenn Beck primarily. If I remember right.. station was WEGP 1390. AM station.
I kept trying to talk to the manager about progressive programming, to balance things out. The owner was open to it, but not willing to pay.
So, I reached out to a few progressive shows, explaining the situation. They really didn’t seem to care. Eventually I gave up trying and just kept doing my shitty, hated job… for kicks I would record Limbaugh and play him back with the helium effect. That was fun.
Long story short, manager wasn’t hitting the pavement to make sales. A new owner, millionaire who owned a couple fast food places took over – and the manager said my shitty programming skills had killed our ad sales.
So, manager took me into the office, said they needed someone with more tech training, gave me 50 bucks and sent me home. I did…. ALL of the work at that place for months, kept the station on the air with no experience and shit for training. I even voiced 90% of the ads.
It sucked, but what I remember most is thinking I could make a difference in my area if I could get some progressive shows on the air. None of the “progressive shows” were willing to help though. Not without a lot of money.
Couple years later, station sold to right wing Christian radio, shut it’s doors a year later.“There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
Enthusiast (11527 posts) (Reply to original post) February 16, 2018 at 5:30 am
44. You nailed it.
Johnny Rash (1253 posts) (Reply to original post) February 17, 2018 at 5:44 am
45. The horror here is that it's really happening…. take YouTUBE for example!
Getting to watch Videos published from the States has been problematic for almost a year now if you live outside of the US.