The Taliban Close In on Afghan Cities, Pushing the Country to the Brink

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      RCW2020
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      The Taliban Close In on Afghan Cities, Pushing the Country to the Brink
      PANJWAI, Afghanistan — The Taliban have been encroaching on key cities around Afghanistan for months, threatening to drive the country to its breaking point and push the Biden administration into a no-win situation just as the United States’ longest war is supposed to be coming to an end.

      Around the northern city of Kunduz, despite the winter’s fierce cold, the Taliban have taken outposts and military bases, using small armed drones to terrorize Afghan troops. In neighboring Pul-i-Khumri, they have seized important highways in a stranglehold of the city, threatening main lifelines to Kabul, the country’s capital.

      And in the city of Kandahar, a bedrock of historic and political importance and an economic hub for the country’s south, Taliban fighters have pummeled the surrounding districts, and moved closer to taking the provincial capital than they have in more than a decade.

      The Taliban’s brazen offensive has put the Biden administration into a dangerous political bind. Under the deal struck by President Donald J. Trump with the Taliban last year, all foreign troops — including the remaining 2,500 American service members who support Afghanistan’s beleaguered army and security forces — are scheduled to withdraw by May 1, leaving the country in an especially precarious state.

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    • #403741
      jbnw
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      Never was, never should have been.

    • #403744
      salemcourt
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      Pushing for more war now that their pliant warmonger is in office.

    • #403748
      HassleCat
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      We cannot save a country from itself. The Afghans are not interested in being a western style democracy. They got along fine when they were divided into pieces and rule by a collection of warlords. We always knew this would happen as soon as we left. We knew John McCain was right when he said we would have to stay at least 100 years to prevent what is happening now.

    • #403753
      Earthartist
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      Oh boy joey has been in office for what 3-4 weeks and already pushing to kill more people with the help of the cia times

      Earthartist

    • #403763
      closeupready
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      So, you know, I feel about them as I do about the Japanese – they picked a fight, not us. Neither Pearl Harbor nor 9/11 were MIC inside jobs. Even though I’m not joking, having to point that out is honestly laughable.

      As to whether we need to be there, I don’t really know, but the Taliban can never be recognized by the international community as legitimate.

      More generally, a popular stereotype held among some of Afghanistan’s neighbors is that Afghanis are a crazy people, and given how they have destroyed their own country over the last 50 years, for nothing in return (i.e., rubble, rocks and sand are preferable to cultural treasures like the standing Buddha), it’s hard to argue otherwise, IMHO.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #403792
        doh1304
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        Japan in the 1930s was indefensible. That is also indisputable. However, FDR tried imposing sanctions, but specifically excluded naval fuel oil because that would be a literal existential threat to the Imperial Navy (we were their only source) But someone (Dean Acheson claims that it was Dean Acheson) defied that order ans hid the oil in the list of sanctions. The Imperial Navy responded with the only way they saw – Pearl Harbor.

        Side note – When the Secretary of State (whose name I don’t bother to look up) saw the commission rather than lose face by admitting he couldn’t control his underlings he kept the oil on the list, “causing” Pearl Harbor. Had he sacrificed a little of his pride he would have been forced to fire Acheson, who went on to (again defying orders) convince de Gaulle to return to Viet Nam. (again according to Acheson)

      • #404053
        Ohio Barbarian
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        For there are only two choices, total withdrawal or stay in forever so that the MIC can make lots of money. That’s it. There are no halfway measures in Afghanistan.

        No empire has ever successfully occupied that country. Ever, going back to Alexander the Great, who built cities there to try to control the place. We have no business there and should get the hell out, and I don’t give a shit whether or not the Taliban or any other Afghan “government” is considered legitimate.

        Let it burn. Or go back to medievalism. Or whatever.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #404097
        MizzGrizz
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        @closeupready.You’re right that some response was needed,but it didn’t have to be the one that was chosen.

        The US could have either let the Taliban hand over OBL—in which case,no war—or got him at Tora Bora and prosecuted him for a civil crime ,the way the first World Trade Center  terrorists were punished.And then gotten out of there once that objective was attained.

        But there is too much oil under those rocks in Afghanistan for that,and there was much talk of planned pipelines.And bringing OBL to trial ran risks of its own,for the system.Like Jeffrey Epstein,he was a man who knew too much.

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      They hosted those camps because they are a massively poor country, and America helped pay for them and arm them. Then when the Afghanistan government offered to hand over Bin laden the USA instead of taking up the offer bombed the country back to the dark ages. Mean while the Saudis walked away free of charge having funded Binladen and 9-11 with the cia.  They went so far as to fly all the Saudi royals out of the country when no one from the US was aloud to come in or go out.  To this day we are still arming them and using them all over the Middle East. The afganis maybe crazy because they have been bombed forever. They are a 3rd world country with no real military and the US and Russia have been their for a very long time there is not 1 person who’s life has not been effected by the distruction. Destruction that has destroyed every aspect of life. NO they did not ask for this! It so so easy for Americans to buy into this bullshit having never had bombs dropped on them, never having their crops decimated never having had their babies slaughtered by weapons they can’t even fathom. WE NO RIGHT TO BE IN AFGHANISTAN

      Earthartist

      • #403773
        closeupready
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        nt

        The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #403774
        soryang
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        Zbigniew Brzezinski was a believer in the traditional UK anti Russian imperial theory that he who controls the world island controls the world, and he who controls the heartland controls the world island. It’s a bs 19th Century imperialist theory of world domination taught in the military academies and international affairs curricula. The US is going down the same road as the British Empire. So the US bought a pig in the poke.

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      mrdmk
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      As far as the Taliban goes, they may be crazy, but they are not suicidal.

      In 2002, the Taliban wanted to turn Osama bin Laden over to a neutral country or The Hague, Netherlands International Court. But that was not good enough for George W. Bush. He wanted a big war which he could stamp his name to. Here it is 20 years later.

      LINK–The Guardian, Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

       

      As far as Presidents post George W. Bush, they are not any better. Year after year was funded and maintained by all administrations including Trump’s.

      Since the beginning of the Afghan War, the American Public have been repeatedly lied to about the status of the war. The Washington Post put out a long article which was well sourced stating the lies started at the beginning and continued to this day.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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    • #403789
      zooka
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      The MIC wants to continue to drain the US treasury. The CIA wants the opium $$. Uncle Sam will be in Afghanistan for another 100 years.

      Anyone remember Tora Bora? They had OBL in hand and still figured out a way to let him go. The LAST thing any of the spooks wanted was him to be interrogated.

      Same reason the Saudis were spirited out of the US when no other planes could fly. Can’t risk having a local LEO beat the truth out of one of them!

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      in Iraq: Multiple rockets hit a US military base in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, on Monday night. Initial reports say one civilian contractor was killed, and five other people were injured, including one US soldier.

      https://news.antiwar.com/2021/02/15/rocket-attack-hits-us-base-in-iraqi-kurdistan-one-contractor-killed/

       

    • #403897
      3fingerbrown
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      The Afghan war is as much a war crime as the Iraq war is. America has zero buisness being there. None. This would seem like a perfect opportunity to cut our losses, call it a victory, and get the hell out once and for all, but PNAC wants will likely overrule Biden.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #404054
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Get ready to hear pearl-clutching liberals virtue-signal over saving Afghan women from the horrible misogynistic Taliban. Sorry, but I don’t give a good goddamn about them.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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