The War for the Democratic Party Continues

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    • #7544
      N2Doc
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      Elizabeth Warren just threw her hat in the ring for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. If the Democrats were smart, they’d get in line behind her, or Bernie Sanders.

      Unfortunately, Pelosi, Schumer and Hoyer are doing everything in their power to keep the progressive insurgency in check, and keep their neoliberal/corporate money machine in power.  Beyond the many moral and ethical problems with this, it’s just plain stupid politics.  About the only way Democrats could lose their 2018 momentum in 2020 is to return to the same old neoliberal, corporate-friendly policies that lost them the election in 2016.

      They’re being supported by most of the mainstream media, many of the pundits who’ve been the architects of the Democratic Party’s precipitous decline over the last few decades, and a robust and well-funded neoliberal infrastructure composed of not-for-profits, many unions, foundations, and public interest groups, who’ve gone into overdrive on their anti-Bernie campaign. It was this neoliberal mafia that helped deliver the nomination to Hillary Clinton in 2016, which in turn depressed turnout to the point that Trump was able to win the election with just over 26 percent of eligible voters.

      If the shock of 2016 wasn’t enough to convince the neoliberals that they were on the wrong side of history, the lessons from 2018 should have. Specifically, turnout is critical for Democrats, and a progressive platform is critical for getting a good turnout.

       

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    • #7551
      Ohio Barbarian
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      progressives, justified in our cynicism, will stay home. Even if they realize this, they cannot change because they are owned. Most, however, ensconced in their comfortable bubbles, surrounded by sycophants and donors who tell them how wonderful they are, are irritated at best and furious at worst at the current surge of progressive activism in politics.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #7936
        cal22
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        quite a few Republicans are against him.  But anti-Corporation?  Not a chance.  P and S are too busy collecting money from them with their left hand, and begging for Democratic votes with their right — and all at the expense of the middle-class, whom they are helping to kill.  But, they are holding power for now.  How I hope things will make a change, and for a change.

        none yet

    • #7589
      JustSayin
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      30 years ago what remains is a zombified party beholden to the clintons and their donors. Sorry to see so many progressives living in the mirage and always falling for the sham

      Never expect different result by following the previous steps

    • #7598
      bazukhov
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      “I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.”   Will Rogers
      I’m no longer a Democrat because my state no longer registers by party.   I’m now officially an Independent though I always considered myself one when I voted.
      “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”  -Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #7690
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        the gold standard, of late 19th and early 20th Century progressivism, of the New Deal and the Great Society, of military interventionism, of peace, and of neoliberalism. There is no rational reason to proclaim that it can never change again.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #7907
        peacecorps
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        The establishment players in the DP will not go away. To imagine otherwise is foolish.

        The same can be said for society in general – ours and others. In Europe, the right is making a comeback after decades of liberal governance. Here the GOP has gone off the deep end in its pure conservatism.

        The battle between left and right will never end. For progressives to become dispirited and give up because the battle continues is music to the ears of conservatives world-wide.

        The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

        "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

        National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #7822
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      Trump advertised himself as the guy who offered simple solutions to complex problems.  Immigration?  Build a wall.  Foreign policy?  Give more money to the Pentagon, bluster, and scare everybody into submission.  The economy?   Cut taxes and abolish all those “restrictions” on the capitalists?   etc, etc, etc.  His simple solution advertising easily won him the votes of the simpletons.

      Hillary advertised herself as “not as bad” as Trump.   She offered politics-as-usual to the moderates and liberals.  And, it worked…..sort of.  She did win the most votes but enough of the moderates and liberals sat it out or voted for the the master simpleton simply because they didn’t like her.

      The Democrats are now “moving to the left” to win the moderate by actually offering something they recently discovered they want.  Stability through “progressive” actions on the environment, the economy, foreign policy, and common decency.   They’ve realized (I think) that just being “not as bad” isn’t enough to get people to vote for them.

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #7909
        ThouArtThat
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        So the new democrats will rely on Madison Avenue to spruce up the messaging in hopes that few look beyond the surface veneer.

        That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.

        - P.C. Hodgell

        The essence of normality is the refusal of reality.

        - Ernest Becker

        Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

        - Frank Zappa

        Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges.

        - George Carlin

        Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

        - Robert Louis Stevenson

      • #7914
        djean111
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        for war and austerity and trade “deals” like the TPP.  She said she had no problem with putting abortion on the table.  She derided Single payer, free tuition, raised minimum wage.   She was going to start finishing what Bill could not do, because of Monica Lewinsky, and begin privatizing Social Security by taking an additional 3% from workers’ wages and giving that to the Blackstone Group to gamble with.

        You cannot possibly really believe that liberals did not vote for her because they did not LIKE her, unless you think this is all just some personality cult thing, and not about issues.

        Offering people what they want, for the DNC/Democratic Party, is merely campaign blather and pandering, tossed aside, or thwarted, in Congress.  We pay attention to what actually happens now.

        • #7919
          ThouArtThat
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          About as transparent as one can be while lying about the truth.

          That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.

          - P.C. Hodgell

          The essence of normality is the refusal of reality.

          - Ernest Becker

          Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

          - Frank Zappa

          Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges.

          - George Carlin

          Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

          - Robert Louis Stevenson

          • #7944
            bazukhov
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            Which are, pretty much the same reasons, I didn’t like her.  Throw in her Mother Superior personality and smugness and you have a good picture of why I didn’t vote for her.

            Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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