Their Mom Died of COVID. They Say Conspiracy Theories Are What Really Killed Her

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      eridani
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      Her husband Arnold got the vaccines and is still alive.

      https://www.rsn.org/001/their-mom-died-of-covid-they-say-conspiracy-theories-are-what-really-killed-her.html

      Stephanie was 75 when she succumbed to COVID-19 this past December. But Laurie says it wasn’t just COVID that killed her mother. In the years leading up to her death, Stephanie had become embroiled in conspiracy theories. Her belief in those far-out ideas caused her to avoid vaccination and led her to delay and even refuse some of the most effective treatments after she got sick. “I don’t believe she was supposed to die,” Laurie says. “I blame the misinformation.”

      As America approaches a million deaths from COVID-19, many thousands of families have been left wondering whether available treatments and vaccines could have saved their loved ones. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, more than 230,000 deaths could have been avoided if individuals had gotten vaccinated.

      Not everyone who refuses a vaccine believes in elaborate conspiracy theories, but many likely do. Anti-vaccine advocates have leveraged the pandemic to sow mistrust and fear about the vaccines. Local papers across the country are dotted with stories of those who refused vaccination, only to find themselves fighting for their very lives against the disease.

      Then, just before the pandemic began, there was a change in Stephanie. Nobody can exactly pinpoint when it happened. Part of it was physical. Throughout her life, she had played tennis. But it had taken a toll on her knees. She was finding it hard to walk and had to have a stair lift installed in her house. Perhaps partially because she was isolated and feeling down, Stephanie got into watching strange videos and sending them to the rest of the family. Vikki says it was Laurie who was really the first to notice.

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    • #483878
      Scott Crowder
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      Even the right wingnuts said a 75 yr old SHOULD BE one to get vaxxed.

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    • #483893
      GZeusH
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      “Two of the drugs, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, are ineffective against COVID,”

      From the American Journal of Therapeutics  vol. 28, issue 4:
      <h3 style=”padding-left: 40px;”>Conclusions:</h3>

      Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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    • #483899
      Ohio Barbarian
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      “If it wasn’t for misinformation, this old lady might still be alive” is an accurate summary of it.

      Sorry, not buying it. Besides, as Robert A. Heinlein said, stupidity is the only universal capital crime.

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      • #483908
        djean111
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        More censorship.  And maybe take the internet away from us old people.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #483919
      HassleCat
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      When you think about it, none of the anti-vax propaganda should have stopped a 75 year old person from getting the shot. The calculation for someone that age is simple. The possible benefits far outweigh the potential risks. Being bombarded with conspiracy theories cannot overcome critical thinking. Except maybe it can. People have been conditioned to accept all facts as equal, to accept conclusions not supported by the evidence, to allow fear to take root. When it comes time to make an important decision, they get paralyzed. I’m not sure anyone is “to blame” for this and I doubt there is much we can do about it, but we’ll muddle through somehow. Probably.

      • #483944
        djean111
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        conclusion about what to do to MY body,  since I do not agree with you, I am just not thinking clearly?  That’s some ego there.  You cannot know possible benefits and potential risks for everybody.  Just generalizations.  Actually, you seem to regard everyone who does not agree with you as “sheeple” or just not thinking clearly; disregarding, conveniently, frames of reference.  That way lies, well, authoritarianism at best.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #483959
          HassleCat
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          All very true. I would never tell you what to do, but I might tell you you’re not thinking clearly, except I don’t know your specific circumstances or reasons. I will say those who are not getting vaxxed “just because” are being hoodwinked by the anti-vax hucksters. But if you don’t want to, then don’t. Covid is down to a low enough level that the risk is probably low.

          • #483972
            djean111
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            That is ridiculous.  No one is seeking your permission.  FFS.  Surely you don’t think you are an “expert”, whatever that means these days. Bwah!

            America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

            "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

            A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

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      DamnYankeeInHouston
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