“They Thought They Were Free” by Milton Mayer

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    • #350235
      Thom Paine
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      In the early 1930’s Hitler’s government started to tighten the noose on the freedom of the public. Justification was provided for each increment and the increments weren’t enough individually to galvanize people to rise up. Those that did notice were too few to be effective and were called tratiors by the government. Too many people didn’t want to see what was happening and/or were too busy to be bothered. Well here we are folks.
      In my opinion, passed the tipping point. First of all a good deal of the public would welcome the allusion of comfort offered by fascism. But maybe worse than that is that another large part of the public, while “resisting” the Republican authoritarians (fascist) bow down before the corporate aristocracy, believing they will “resist” fascism. Those in this group are naive enablers.

      Someone tell me there is still a chance.

    • #350254
      ThouArtThat
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      @thompaine

      Hi tp,

      Yep – Mayer’s work is a worthwhile read.

      A nice excerpt from the book can be found at the following web link:

      https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

      Mayer’s wikipedia page can be found as follows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Mayer

      As to your question @thompaine, I think we are past the point of no return.  The perpetual “brainwashing” of Americans is now all but complete.  Outside of forums like JPR, there is nowhere I can go to talk about these matters.  Any attempt to raise concerns is met with swift rebuke and sometimes social condemnation.  When a society can no longer be self-reflective, the game is all but over IMHO.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #350276
      Ohio Barbarian
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      He was one of the soldiers who liberated Martin Niemoller, who later said this:

      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

      The economy is collapsing rapidly. Too many people who lived decently are losing everything. The feces are getting closer and closer to the rotating blades. People keep saying Americans will never rise up, that it can never happen here. The thing is, that’s the thing about successful revolutions–no one ever sees them coming, not even the future revolutionaries themselves.

      Lexington and Concord, the Bastille, the fall of the Tsar, nobody, not Washington, not Robespierre, not Lenin, not the PTB in those places and times, saw it coming. That’s what makes them successful.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350361
      h-32
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      I have added it to my must-read list.

    • #350376
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbarian

      Hi ob,

      Storming the Bastille was truly awe inspiring.  And even more so because French peasants had deconstructed most of that castle fortress, brick by brick and stone by stone, inside of one year.  That in my mind reflects how much the common person truly despised the 1% of their day.  I am with you in that we are fast approaching similar levels of repressed anger in this country.  When it explodes it will be swift and unpredictable.

      As JFK said so well …

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #350389
      Fasttense
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      was that most German citizens loved him even before he took control of the country.

      Some had grave reservations about how he let Nazis run around abusing people, but they loved the man himself. Some voters who didn’t vote for him claimed, “Hitler has good intentions it’s just how he sometimes implements those intentions is wrong.” Or words to that affect.

      Most Germans were smitten with him, or maybe smitten with his carefully cultivated image. Propaganda can do amazing tthings. And it is kind of strange that Trump makes no effort to cultivate a more acceptable, intelligent, sophisticated image.

      But boy how Malaria really knows how to cultivate an image…at least now…without the nude photo shoots. She screwed up a bit with that “I really don’t care. Do U” coat when going to check on the welfare of the caged children at the border. But she seemed to recover rather quickly.

    • #350404
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @thouartthat He was warning his own class. Pity those of them who claim to honor his memory conveniently forget that one. OTOH, maybe it’s better for the rest of us that they do.

      That’s my anger at them speaking, I know.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350408
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbarian

      Hi ob,

      My mother was at the breakfast honoring JFK in Fort Worth before he flew to Love Field on November 22, 1963.  Even at the age of 5 and 1/2, I was stunned by how distraught my parents were at the time.  It left an indelible impression.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #350412
      Ohio Barbarian
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      My mom took me to downtown San Antonio to see him and Jackie in the motorcade. I remember it clearly. They were in a convertible just like the one in Dallas. A year before, my dad held me up to shake his hand, and he looked at me and asked me how I was by my name. I was 4 then, and just worshiped him.

      I found out later that LBJ had showed him a picture of me and my dad and told him our names. JFK had a photographic memory and never forgot a name or a face. @thouartthat

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350415
      Thom Paine
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      To those that see a possibility of a successful revolution, please tell me how it would work.  Looks to me like the Right Wing with their guns are more than ready to defend the fascist Oligarchy.  Looks like a civil war and not a revolution.  Hell we can’t even get the fracking centrists to look badly at the Oligarchy.

    • #350419
      PolecatHollerer
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      🙂

       

      If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

    • #350669
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      most German citizens loved him even before he took control of the country

      ‘most’ didn’t

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