They’re Afraid. They’re Buying Guns. But They’re Not Voting for Trump.

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    • #371439
      Ohio Barbarian
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      This is a “Letter from Texas” from Politico. The gun store owner they found, a gay Black Republican, is something of a wack job IMO, but the information he relays about just who is buying guns these days is interesting. It would seem that I, who bought a .45 1911 pistol(got that model just because it’s the same one I used for years in the Navy), am part of a national trend. Leftists are arming. From the article:

      Noah Horner always wanted a gun, but the 24-year-old tech company engineer had never been motivated enough to follow through. At least until this year, when coronavirus shut down the country, the economy tanked, unemployment spiked, more than 220,000 died, and a series of killings by police inspired thousands of protests, some of which turned violent.

      Six weeks ago, because of what he understatedly calls “the current environment,” Horner bought his first firearm, a Glock 43X handgun that he keeps in his nightstand while he sleeps. But he didn’t want just to protect himself at home. He was worried he might need it as he was going about his daily life. In Austin, an Army sergeant had shot and killed a protester he said pointed a rifle at him after he turned his car onto a street where a demonstration was taking place. Horner wondered: What if I had to confront protesters alone at night? But if Horner wanted to be able to carry his new weapon in public, he’d need a license. Which is why on a recent Saturday morning, he drove to a strip mall in South Austin to sit in a windowless classroom at Central Texas Gun Works.

      The class of about 20 people was being taught by the store’s owner, Michael Cargill, who offers up to four classes a week; the Saturday sessions are booked weeks in advance. He said he has noticed a shift in his clientele this year. Typically, Cargill’s customers are mostly conservative, he said, and the people enrolled in his license to carry classes are a mix of Republicans, Democrats and Libertarians. But lately, he said, the majority of the students are coming from the left side of the political spectrum.

      (skip)Horner told me he doesn’t consider himself political, but he said he’s planning to vote for Biden. He thinks Trump has embarrassed the country and mishandled the pandemic. Two others in the class, a young couple, described themselves as left-leaning, and they both have cast early ballots for Biden. Zachary Harris, 23, and his fiancée, 24-year-old Amy Taylor, purchased their first firearms about six months before the course—a shotgun, a .22 rifle and a handgun. Even though Taylor grew up around guns, they were both wary of the dangers the weapons posed if they didn’t handle them carefully. But soon they expected to have something to protect—a child. And as a woman, Taylor felt vulnerable. Harris, who said he once would have described himself as anti-gun, said they’re not alone among their left-leaning friends who are also considering what kinds of weapons they should own.

      Full article here

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #371450
      Sorechasm
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      Thank you @OhioBarbarian

      Very informative article about housewives driven to arm themselves on account of Trump’s version of Law (of the Jungle) and (New World) Order. That is every man, woman, and child: ‘You’re on your own’. ‘Don’t trust anyone’. ‘Kill or be killed’.

      The majority of the article is about a self-defense class, where the teacher says what he is supposed to say: “the gun is for self protection…You’re not to become your own security force…Once you shoot someone, you’ll never be the same again…”  Yet this same teacher promotes multiple contradictory statements that allows any use of the gun to seem justified. Can anyone make sense out of the following ‘argument’?

      “But Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend was justified when he shot at the police who forced their way into her Louisville apartment to serve a warrant, Cargill said. And so, he said, were the officers who returned fire, killing Taylor in her bedroom.”

      Sounds like vigilante justice to me. Among our many national crisis, a lack of confidence in our justice system seems paramount. Having a ‘national conversation’ is going to be difficult if rather than look each other in the eye, we point our weapons first.

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

    • #371451
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      Who am I supposed to be shooting at? The police? Trumpers? Biden supporters? BLM? Common criminals?  I guess I’m fortunate because where I live I don’t feel threatened.

       

    • #371453
      Sorechasm
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      Also sounds like a chapter from Michael Moore’s ‘Bowling for Columbine’ movie, where these kinds of contradictory statements among gun owners seem quite common. BTW, Michael Moore can no longer step foot in his home state of Michigan without a security force because there have been so many threats on his life.

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

    • #371454
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      @sorechasm Interesting how Politico focused so much on that guy; maybe they figure he comes across as crazy so most of their readers will dismiss the whole article as fringe-worthy. People living in the DC bubble certainly will.

      However, there’s just too much corroborating evidence, from gun-seller statistics to gun store owners to gun ranges that have seen new and different people show up en masse, and none of them are wearing MAGA hats. Ammo is not impossible to obtain, but it does take patience and sometimes a request to be notified from a dealer when the ammo you want is in stock, and then you’d better jump on it. The price hasn’t gone up so much as the availability has simply gone down.

      And suppliers have diversified. Imagine my surprise when a box of .45 ammo was delivered by UPS to my door and the first thing I noticed about it was the MADE IN RUSSIA label. And I ordered it from a place in Texas. Well, if there’s anything the Russians are good at making besides weapons, it’s guns and ammo. It worked just fine.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #371460
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbarian

      Hi ob,

      The national trend to “arm up” has other consequences. Whenever I leave home, I treat each excursion as entering a battle zone. Between trigger happy law enforcement, crazed militia members, terrified citizens, left and right wing ideologues, drug gangs, biker gangs and dueling BLM and Proud Boy protesters all cocked and ready, one must be prepared to duck and cover at a moments notice.

      Each trip is planned for minimal exposure to all opposing sides and factions. Gone are the days of casual shopping and one can forget squeezing the vegetables and fruit. Gone are the days of social graces for fear some may take offense. Virtual eyes have grown in a ring around the skull and each stranger is treated with more suspicion than days gone by. One never knows who is concealed carry and whose fuse is short on any given day.

      Locked and loaded America has become reality and the country will never be the same again, certainly not for the remainder of my days. Vigilance is the only watchword if one wants to live even a short while longer.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
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    • #371461
      N2Doc
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      I don’t blame anyone, but it is really a sad sign of the times. The whole nation has been turned against each other for the amusement and enjoyment of the Oligarchs. They are the ones we should be turning our anger towards, not each other.

    • #371465
      ThouArtThat
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      Who’s packin? Aside from LEOs, who knows?

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #371471
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Didn’t want one in the 90’s and why would I need one now? I’m gonna protect myself with it? To tell you the truth, I’d trust myself with our baseball bat more than I would a pistol.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #371477
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @thouartthat I don’t feel threatened going to the friggin’ grocery store or out to a restaurant. At all. It’s still northeastern Ohio, and most people are still Midwest nice, even in more Republican-leaning areas. I certainly don’t feel the need to be carrying a gun when I go out to such places. Perhaps that will change, I don’t know, but if it does then I can do something about it.

      In fact, the only place I sometimes feel I might need a gun is the one place where I’m forbidden to bring it–my work. Some of the people who hang out around there do have a propensity for violence, and coworkers have been attacked in the parking lot. Once I had to intervene, and bellow, to get some guy to release the arm of a female coworker who he was literally trying to drag to her car.

      Now that most people are working from home the fear of some coworker going postal as been reduced to practically zero, but for awhile there it seemed likely. Fortunately, nothing happened.

      I suppose part of my attitude come from the fact that, unlike most people on internet forums, I’m an extrovert. I like being around other people and find most people likeable. Just as I like most people on this forum, even the ones with whom I sometimes vehemently disagree.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #371480
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @mrmickeysmom I live in a place where home invasions, though rare, have sometimes happened within a few miles of my house. Life in the big city. I also grew up with guns, and had an expert marksman rating in the Navy with the make and model I have. I enjoy target practice every once in awhile, but at around a buck a bullet, I don’t go to the range much.

      My dad was probably more to your liking on the gun thing. He had a 12-gauge shotgun, and had some rock salt to load it with. He used that on a couple of kids trying to vandalize our cars once. Shot ’em in the ass as they ran away after slashing a tire. They probably hurt like hell for a few days, but weren’t seriously injured and never came back.

      I was just pointing out a fact. As people lose faith in the ability of the authorities to protect them and their families, they tend to take measures into their own hands.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #371483
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        @ohiobarbarian

        Visions of Kill Bill when Uma Thurman’s characters gets shot by Michael Madsdon’s … That’s the only way I’d shoot. I’m not afraid of pistols, but they hurt my had, which has even worse arthritis in it now.

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #371482
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbarian

      Hi ob,

      Once again, forum communication fails us. My comments were not directed at you but the broader society at large.

      While I cannot speak for Ohio. I am paranoid because the county I live in is very red and filled with hair-trigger ideologues of one form or another. Concealed carry is very popular in these parts and I never know if one slip of the tongue will be my last.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
      - Martin Luther King

    • #371487
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @thouartthat Communication on web forums is at best two-dimensional. Of course, I don’t live where you do, though I did live in a similar place in some ways(small town Texas) for a year. I hated it and quickly went back to the big city. I admit I have no idea what it’s like to be in your boots.

      I worked for five years in a small town about 30 miles east of Cleveland(it was quite the commute). The people were nice enough, but were appallingly insulated and ignorant. I scared many of them just because my mannerisms, broad vocabulary and speech patterns, not to mention world view and firm rejection of religion, were alien to them. Being six feet tall and a loud, brash leftist Texan probably didn’t help matters either, when that’s such a hit in places like New York City and Cleveland.

      Anyway, apologies for the misreading on my part. There’s concealed carry here as well, but I almost never suspect anyone of packing, and I’m pretty good at spotting them.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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