Things far more important than what happened to Jeffrey Epstein

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  • #107765

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Let’s suppose Jeffrey Epstein had lived and squealed, or that some future investigation lands some powerful people in prison. Suppose Bill Clinton and Donald Trump both ended up in prison for participating in child sex slavery and other nasty things. What would this change?

    Nothing of consequence, that’s what.

    Would any of this help our species face its most significant challenge in historical times, climate change? No. Would any of this dismantle the kleptocracy and result in desperately needed redistribution of wealth? No. Would any of this stop imperial regime change wars? No. Would any of this move the nation a little closer to health care or education or a living wage as a right? No. Would any of this stop police violence against people of color and poor people in general? No. Would any of this free a single, solitary child from a concentration camp on the border? No. Would any of this do a single, solitary thing, to help more people obtain needed food, clothing, and shelter? No.

    I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point. This is a sideshow that, at most, denies justice to Epstein’s victims which, while important to them and a general sense of justice, pales in comparison to any of the larger and far more consequential issues I just mentioned. For most of you reading this, the most a conviction of some wealthy and powerful pedophile would do is to make you feel better via schadenfreude for awhile. Whoop-de-fucking do.

    I have better things to do with my time than to focus on one dead sociopathic rich fuck, or speculate on which other sociopathic rich fuck might have arranged his death, like go grocery shopping, which I’m going to do in a few minutes, and until this insignificant story blows over, I’ll probably make myself scarce around JPR for awhile. Have a nice day.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #107778

    jwirr
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    K&R

    jwirr

  • #107842

    Haikugal
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    Yep…this is now the latest distraction. It’s important but it’s not all that and we need to address the real dangers facing us.

     

    The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right!

    We do what we can, what we must and we hope for the best while expecting nothing.~ Me

  • #107847

    Mick063
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    Bernie for President.

    Keep your eyes on the ball.

    "I welcome their hatred" Franklin D Roosevelt

  • #107852

    David the Gnome
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    You’re right bro – but this kind of thing is a good reminder of how corrupt the system is.  Of course, justice is important for the victims – but to determine what justice is in this kind of case?

    As someone else who never received justice, I would happily get in line to severely maim the pricks.  I dont believe in the death penalty, but short of that…

    Hits a nerve for me.  If he is indeed dead, death is too good for him – and his clients.  At the very least, somehow we have to build a system in which such people cannot hold office.  They are utterly without conscience.

    Electing Bernie is a good start, for the bigger issues you mentioned – but for this, too.  I think he has a better understanding of justice than any of the others.  Best of all, he’s not a damn monster like Trump or Clinton.

  • #107859

    game meat
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    All true. Those things are more important. However, if he would have lived to expose the crimes of some of our elites, I wouldn’t consider that nothing, especially if they faced consequences for their actions. Justice and schadenfreude are two of life’s simple pleasures, and we don’t get to experience either of them often enough. When these things do happen, it’s good for morale. It’s unfortunate how this story ended.

    Epstein talk, speculation, and cockamamie theories regarding his death will probably consume the media, sucking all of the oxygen out of the room for a week or so. Something else will happen eventually, and everyone will forget about Epstein. That something else will probably be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things as well. Aside from the border, none of the things you mentioned will get much attention.

    If nothing else, at least we’re getting a brief intermission from talking about how racist the latest Trump tweet is. I appreciate this small act of mercy.

     

     

  • #107861

    RufusTFirefly
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    @ohiobarbarian , I totally see your point and probably would’ve recced your post if I could.

    That said, I think the Epstein Situation (with apologies to the Bonnie Situation) goes far beyond what did or didn’t happen in that jail cell. It’s symptomatic of a much, much larger situation that encompasses practically any problem you can imagine, namely that we live in a society where the rich make rules that we are compelled to follow, while they are able to violate those same rules with impunity whenever they want.

    The reason why we don’t have Medicare for All, why college remains unaffordable for so many, why the poor are used as cannon fodder in unnecessary wars, why the minimum wage is not a liveable wage, why people are being poisoned by the air they breathe and the water they drink, and, yes, why the planet is hurtling toward disaster is because changing any of these things is at odds with the whims and the wants of the wealthy.

  • #107862

    Satan
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    Well… purging the Clintons & all who covered up for them from the Demoncratic party would certainly be a step in the right (actually left) direction in finding solutions to these problems, as that right wing invasion of the party has either ignored such things or actually made them worse, depending on the issue.

    Whether Epstein would have flipped on Bill OR Cheeto is anybody’s guess. Even in Hell, he’s not talking.

    I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.

    • #107864

      GZeusH
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      Have you given him the job of impregnating all the centenarian women in Hell?  How many of them will it take to raise his lifetime average above the age of consent?

  • #107926

    Bellicose Lugosi
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    You’re right, there are more important things.  However, this particular ‘thing’ is why the other important things don’t get done.  It’s why we never got to the bottom of 9/11 and why we’ll never get the truth around Epstein.  The rich an powerful play by a different set of rules.  Hard to have the elites pay attention to global warming when they are focused on child fucking.  Just my two cents.

     

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  • #107932

    elias39
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    Personally I’d like to see a win for the good guys. I’d like one of the hundreds of scumbags to face the music and go to fucking jail for a long time. Bankers, hedge fund managers, pharma kings, crooked politicos. You know. The people who feel they can do whatever the hell they want and tough shit for the little people. I’m sick of black kids getting shot for a tail light while white men walk away from pyramid schemes. All the deep shit you talk about will still be there after I’m done enjoying the Epstein house of cards come tumbling down.

    Don’t begrudge me my interest in whose heads might roll as result of a well=funded, well-executed criminal enterprise. And a clear understanding of whether and/or how Epstein died. IMHO this case isn’t over. It has just begun.

    • #107935

      Bellicose Lugosi
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      I share your sentiments 100%.

      It's alright Ma, it's life and life only.

  • #107941

    Iwillnevergiveup
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    Everything you said is righteous, O.B., but this whole Epstein fiasco in my mind is symtomatic of the corruption we endure on every level in this country.  So many, many people are complicit here, and if heads roll as a result, I’m fine with that.  Our past, unfortunately doesn’t bode well.  So many, many evil criminals in elected office have gotten away with murder, literally.

  • #107993

    a little weird
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    I’m sure the people who took part in Epstein’s child sex trafficking scheme would want nothing more than for us to wash our hands of this and move on to other issues.  I don’t think we should let it be swept under the rug and forgotten.  Yes I would feel schadenfreude to see some of these rich assholes get convicted.  But if we let it go and don’t even bother trying to get justice, we are complicit in saying that the rich live by a different set of rules and it’s ok that they are never held to account for their actions – even something as heinous as child sex trafficking.  I’m not ok with that.

    And yes there are other, more important issues in the world.  They would get close to zero airtime whether Epstein is in the news or not.

    • #108006

      elias39
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      Good points.

      In short, the Epstein mess is nothing compared to a sick planet,

    • #108010

      elias39
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      Good points.

      In short, the Epstein mess is nothing compared to a sick planet, the threat of war with Russia, the Fool on the Hill. But goddamnit if we get shut out of any kind of satisfaction through Truth in this case, well there are no rules to follow. No expectation of justice. And the rich and powerful will be more emboldened than ever. If that bastard is dead – and I have doubts – I want to know who killed him. If he’s alive, I want him to be exposed and hunted down like the animal he is.

      I say let’s have open season on pedophiles and their enablers.

       

    • #108027

      Ohio Barbarian
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      I agree there should be a thorough investigation, and I wouldn’t mind seeing some other rich sociopathic fuck pay the price. I’m not sure there will be such an investigation–I thoroughly expect to see some mid-level prison bureaucrat at best be the scapegoat–I just don’t want to see this thing dominate the news cycle like OJ Simpson did.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #108008

    jerry611
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    People are just tired of the elites getting away with everything.

    • #108029

      Ohio Barbarian
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      Damned straight. That’s certainly true, but until the system itself is changed, shit like this will keep happening.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #108844

    xyzse
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    This is why I mentioned this:

    Something Else Critical Happening while Epstein is on the News: Curtailing 1st Amendment

    I am glad it got attention, but seriously, it’s still isn’t.

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