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    Third Way at it again. To spend $20 million to find out how to win.

    Not again.  They don’t know anything about taking anyone out of the wilderness.   They will never let the Democratic Party out of their clutches, and with all that money the Democrats are not going to fight about it.

    Third Way Launches $20 Million “New Blue” Campaign to Battle Trumpism; Will Provide Democrats with a “Path out of the Wilderness”

    January 17, 2017

    Washington, DC: Third Way announced today the launch of a $20 million project to take on Trumpism by helping Democrats reconnect with voters who have abandoned the party. Dubbed the “New Blue” campaign, the effort will offer “a new politics for a new era.”

    No No…not another “new” politics.  Not another “new” era.  They don’t know when to stop.

    Third Way President Jonathan Cowan said: “This isn’t about 2016 or the Democratic debates of the past. This is about something bigger. The nation wants their leaders to offer a future-oriented, inclusive, and expansive vision, with an emphasis on providing opportunity, not just fairness. People need to feel that the best days for them, their community, and their country are ahead.”

    Cowan continued: “We are not interested in a backwards-looking politics of resentment, with a singular focus on who to blame. While some argue that we should meet Donald Trump’s dangerous right-wing populism with a liberal populism of our own, we have seen how populism can become an uncontrollable prairie fire, driven by anti-government anger. We can’t go back to that, and we must also move on from 1990s-era centrism. We need modern ideas that meet today’s problems. And just as Democrats value America’s diversity, we also need a diversity of paths to lead the party back to power.”

    To provide an alternative—what Third Way called a “path out of the wilderness” for Democrats—the New Blue campaign will devise a modern economic narrative, economic agenda, and electoral theory for achieving progressive majorities up and down the ballot.

    They have been guiding the party for decades, and the more they guide the more we lose.  They want to move on to “another centrism”?

    Cowan concluded: “Democrats are in their worst shape since the Civil War. This has helped give us the Trump presidency, which could wreak havoc on our security, economy, environment, and social order. Plus, it is unhealthy for democracy to have single-party rule. With a hole this deep, every wing of the party must do a major rethink. A Democratic rebirth will require a truly big tent: liberals and moderates, Democrats and Independents. The answer cannot be either 1990s centrism or 1920s populism. We need a new, aspirational, and bold politics for a new century.”

    Just a bunch of meaningless words.  They don’t want a big tent.  What the heck do they mean by “1990s centrism or 1920s populism”??

    Here’s more from Politico:

    Democratic Party rethink gets $20 million injection

    Third Way is joining a crowded field of Democratic organizations which are redefining themselves in reaction to the upending results of the November election and trying to map out a path forward. Many outside groups that backed Hillary Clinton during the campaign are now vying to become the nerve center of the anti-Trump opposition in Washington, D.C., ready to fight him on everything from Cabinet nominations to key legislative battles like the upcoming showdown over repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.

    The liberal, non-profit Center for American Progress, led by Clinton loyalist Neera Tanden, has reorganized itself with the mission of resisting Trump’s legislative efforts. Clinton defender David Brock is also relaunching his super PAC, American Bridge, to act as a watchdog group monitoring Trump. And the super PAC that spent close to $200 million to support Clinton’s presidential bid, Priorities USA, is also rebranding itself as an opposition group to the president-elect, with the longer term goal of bringing voters back to the party.

    And get this:

    Part of the economic message the group is driving — which is in line with its centrist ideology — is to steer the Democratic Party away from being led into a populist lurch to the left by leaders like Sen. Bernie Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

    I am absolutely NOT overwhelmed.  It is sickening to watch the same group keep bossing the party around, and even more sickening to watch them all fall in line.

    Third Way is in conversations with the polling firm Global Strategy Group to conduct its first round of research, which will focus on the troubled state of the Democratic brand in large parts of the country.

    “When we look back on how parties recover,” said Cowan, “there is an entire network of people who shape the debate long before you end up with whoever the presidential nominee will be four years from now.”

    And they are going to be trying very hard once again to keep those of us who don’t toe the party line…..on the side lines.

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    • jwirr (3716 posts)
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      1. They need to study their own actions then because we do not want them.

    • IdaBriggs (750 posts)
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      2. Job Security – keep doing it wrong, and collect more $$$.

      Totally expected.

      • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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        4. Ain't that the truth?

        We “populists” or whatever will never be welcome in the Democratic party…..and they are going to spend 20 million to make sure of that.  :banghead:

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • oldandhappy (3693 posts)
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      3. Start by telling the truth, giggle.

      Invest in people.  Seek TRUTH.
    • Rozinante (3523 posts)
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      5. Lipstick on a Pig.

      They can rebrand themselves from here to eternity…I’m not buying what corporatist Dems are selling.  I’ll vote for an honest Republican over a corporate puppet Democrat….and I’ll vote third party when possible over either.

      http://deadstate.org/conspiracy-theories-make-people-feel-like-theyre-special/
      • MistaP (6262 posts)
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        7. more like ribbons on a whale carcass

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • PADemD (1138 posts)
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      6. Oh, good. They're coming to Pennsylvania.

      I hope I get to meet them so I can give them a piece of my mind.

      Blue-to-Red Counties: The New Blue team will spend several months traveling to and collaborating with leaders in several counties, ranging from rural to urban, in former ‘blue wall’ states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

      http://www.thirdway.org/newsroom/press-releases/third-way-launches-20-million-new-blue-campaign-to-battle-trumpism-will-provide-democrats-with-a-path-out-of-the-wilderness

      • HeartoftheMidwest (267 posts)
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        9. Third Way:Fresh Thinking ***

        *** Direct quote from their website.

        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.

        Third Way, Frack You.

        • PADemD (1138 posts)
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          11. Got my t-shirt ready for the meeting.

          “Don’t blame me, I voted for Bernie.”

          • HeartoftheMidwest (267 posts)
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            39. I seriously bought the awesome Tee shirt …..

            …..”Hindsight is 20/20 ”     with a silhouette of Bernie’s hair and glasses.

            I’ll come sit next to you!

      • OCMI (1454 posts)
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        24. Their "shaping the debate" led to the attempted HRC coronation n/t

        If you dislike Trump, you should vote for him so we can change his party from within. Yes, Hillary supporters, this is how ridiculous you sound.
    • 99thMonkey (3675 posts)
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      8. "how to win" while still screwing-over the poor & middle-class. Fucking idiots.

      • Punxsutawney (1706 posts)
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        13. Exactly!

        To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
    • ddr007 (168 posts)
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      10. For half that amount, I will tell them how to win.

      Start working for the people again.

    • Punxsutawney (1706 posts)
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      12. Wow

      20 million to figure out that they need to support policies that benefit the 99% and not their corporate pay masters. I’d be more than happy to tell them that for $20, not that they are interested in my opinion. But they sure get pissy when I don’t vote for corporate Dems.

      To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
      • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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        16. They have pushed same policies since 1980s, and still losing.

        These are supposedly intelligent people, so I have to believe they are just pretending to be stupid.   Their tactics and their spin is just so obvious.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • Punxsutawney (1706 posts)
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          23. I don't care if they pretend to be stupid

          But I don’t have a fraction of a second to spend on anyone who thinks I’m stupid, and who knows, maybe I am?  But “for sure” I don’t vote for those that do.

          And what they are doing makes me think just that, that they think we are stupid and the right “Marketing” or “Spin” will solve their problems.

          To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
          • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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            27. Yep they really believe that.

            They do think we are stupid, and they do think they are fooling us with their spin.

            If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
          • Late Bloomer (212 posts)
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            47. "Branding" seems to be their concern

            for their disastrous marketing campaign, selling corporate oligarchy with a smile. Good luck with that.

      • GloriaMundi (637 posts)
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        48. No the $20 million is not…

        …”to figure out that they need to support policies that benefit the 99% and not their corporate pay masters”.  According to their own words, it is to AVOID that nasty awful “populism”.  The $20M is to figure out how to market their tired old neoliberal bullshit so that the proles will go for it again.

        Assholes.

    • Betty Karlson (3736 posts)
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      14. A bit like Eric Cantor – who introduced a new way every other year

      for the same faces to stay on the same path, but with a different slogan. Pathetic.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • malokvale77 (973 posts)
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      15. Of course.

      That explains the tone deaf letter, survey and plea for donations I just received from the DNC.  They even asked me to send an extra $3.00 to cover the cost of tabulating the survey and processing my donation.

      The banksters have taught them well. LOL

    • PADemD (1138 posts)
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      17. They can start by

      getting rid of that stupid D in the bulls eye and go back to the kicking donkey.

      • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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        18. lol I very much agree.

        They got rid of the kicking donkey because they did not want to appear to be fighting back.  They wanted to go along and get along.  That’s how NOT to win.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • retired liberal (1654 posts)
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      19. I'll do it for free.

      Tell them to start representing the people. Purple Republicans has never really cut it. In fact that IS the problem.

      No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. Lily Tomlin
      • Caretha (614 posts)
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        21. Underbidding ddr007

        Unfair!  I’m telling mary625@ on you.  We need to stick together, I can think of a lot of ways that 10 mil could be well spent, and we have the best brains on JPR – we’ll all pitch in.

        Please take back your 0 bid.

         

        "But the moment eloquence or the language of debate enters, true reasoning becomes impossible. For the purpose of the debater is not to find the truth but to win the argument, and to this end he will often stray as far as possible from the real issues"   "Eloquence and debate are designed, not to decide issues, but to sway people, for this reason they lean heavily on appeals to emotion and prejudice, and make use of neat, clever, and sometimes humorous turns of phrase rather than profound analysis of ideas" "Of all this Confucious was contemptuous" Confucious by H. G. Creel 1913, Chapter "The Teacher"
        • retired liberal (1654 posts)
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          37. OK,OK…, $10. Happy now?

          No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. Lily Tomlin
          • Caretha (614 posts)
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            43. That's much better : )

            "But the moment eloquence or the language of debate enters, true reasoning becomes impossible. For the purpose of the debater is not to find the truth but to win the argument, and to this end he will often stray as far as possible from the real issues"   "Eloquence and debate are designed, not to decide issues, but to sway people, for this reason they lean heavily on appeals to emotion and prejudice, and make use of neat, clever, and sometimes humorous turns of phrase rather than profound analysis of ideas" "Of all this Confucious was contemptuous" Confucious by H. G. Creel 1913, Chapter "The Teacher"
    • zoolook67 (627 posts)
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      20. Proof that money destroys brain cells.

      Living well is the best revenge.
    • TRex (2760 posts)
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      22. I won't support them, but I will support any other Dem that goes against them.

      No more support for the failed neo-libs, they can go fuck off, collectively. Let them cut off their own noses, they will become a small group of elitist assholes and we will make sure everyone knows that going into the next election cycle.

      We can thank the rich for one thing - times are changing due to the silent depression in the working class. I don't think the rich will be happy with the changes, but they forced it upon themselves through greed and avarice.
    • SurrealAmerican (910 posts)
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      25. They assume their money means …

      … they get to call the shots. That didn’t work so well in 2016 though – did it? If they remain in control of the Party, they can expect similar results in the future.

    • Flygirl (3018 posts)
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      26. 20 million..40 million, 60 million

      wont ever get me back…

      what is Hillary getting the first 15 million??

      1. First run a candidate that is not under Federal Criminal Ivestigation by the FBI…

      2. Shit can the Super Fucking Delegate system

      3. Run clean Primaries

      4. Open up the primaries

      5. Run legit debates..not cheating..no questions fed to the candidates..and fucking schedule them when people aren’t watching Football games or baseball playoffs and World Series !

      6. Don’t call us Retards

      7. Don’t tell us about being sent to hell..tell your so called celebrities to STFU! I don’t give a damn what those pompous spoiled people have to fucking say…

      8. Don’t tell 60 year old women we are chasing  young boys..when we were called dried up old cunts before..or the bros no hose bullshit that has been shoved at many of us democrats over the years..and years we did stay loyal..

      9. Break up the fucking third way bullshit…

      10. Stop blaming Russia, and the janitor for your loss..you brought it upon yourself!!

      and even if you do that..You won’t get me back …no matter how much you spend..I am not for sale!

      I am sick of your excuses and pathetic name calling..

      47 years I foolishly stayed loyal…I will no longer be loyal to anyone but my precious grandchildren..and my family…I want the Democratic Party blown up..I want young people to have a chance at life..for a meaningful life…I want wars stopped..I want people to have Health CARE..not just insurance..I want our people having livable jobs..I want people in Flint to have safe water..as everywhere in our country should be assured of…and children not have their brains and body eaten up for the fucking greed of few!

      I want these MTF’ers in DC to lose their jobs and have term limits so D.C. Is not a gift to their checkbooks and they actually Serve the People.. instead of serving themselves..including serving themselves to OUR money!

      And that’s just for fucking starters!

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
      • FugitiveBirdie (1706 posts)
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        28. You just saved them $20 million.

        Hopefully they will send you a Third Way mug.

        • Scrivener (410 posts)
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          31. They don't want to save $20 million

          All the people who were getting paid by the campaign, or Brock, or the DNC, or the like–haven’t they lost their jobs? And don’t they need another well-paid job to do the same stuff they did before?

          They had to come up with a brilliant idea for something that the plebeians will give them money to do. Then they process the money, direct a good portion off the top to politicians, and the leftovers to the campaign/DNC/Brock employees who are trying to find work.

          They’re not trying to save $20 million, but if you can come up with a great idea for hauling in $30 million or $40 million, they’d love to hear it.

          • Gryneos (1803 posts)
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            45. That's a good point, too.

            Another point is one I’ve experienced elsewhere in life: We are not ‘authorities’ in the field.

            I’ve learned over the years trying to get my parents to listen to some of my well-researched herbal advice on at least alleviating some of their ailments. Instead, I got replies of “Too much trouble!” “That’s not real!” “That can’t work!” and so on. However, upon reading the exact same advice in Prevention magazine, they start taking the same remedies. That is an authority. I am not.

            An official-produced study is an authority. We are not, and can be easily dismissed.

            "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
      • Scrivener (410 posts)
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        30. Okay, I'll say it….

        Your post calls for one question, without doubt:

        So, Flygirl, what do you really think?

        [Also…I really liked what you said.]

    • FugitiveBirdie (1706 posts)
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      29. …we also need a diversity of paths to lead the party back to power.”

      Sounds like they have a new form of triangulation.

      Let’s call it polygonization.

      Make promises to everyone.

      Deliver for the donors.

      • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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        35. lol I like that idea.

        Did you just make up that word, Polygonization?   It’s not a bad word at all. 

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • FugitiveBirdie (1706 posts)
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          38. Isn't it ridiculous that they will spend all sorts of money…

          … to avoid Popularism.

          I thought having popular leaders would be a good thing?  I guess the most recent election is evidence that the two political parties think not.

          So they need new colors of lipstick for the pigs they are selling.

          Triangulation involves telling lies to at least one group. Polygonization will involve telling lies to many groups.

          When will they figure out that in the Internet age that lies are easily discovered.

          Oh wait!

          They haven’t figured out the Internet thing yet. Hence their confusion about leaks vs hacks and using idiotic passwords, and falling for juvenile fishing attacks.

           

    • Mnpaul (1396 posts)
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      32. Ain't going to do it sounding liking a Republican

      “out of the wilderness” lol

      How about they start with something more personal first, get their heads out of their butts and get back to us when they have accomplished that.

       

      If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything - Hamilton
    • DoctorJ (587 posts)
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      33. theyre the ones who led us into the wilderness

      so, logically theyre the ones to get us out.  :facepalm:

      no more money from me

      Conservatives are fond of telling us what a wonderful, happy, prosperous nation this is. The only thing that matches their love of country is the remarkable indifference they show toward the people who live in it. - Michael Parenti
    • Satan (2741 posts)
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      34. I can sum up the solution in one sentence.

      If you want Democrats to win, run DEMOCRATS as candidates.

       

      Now where the fuck is my $20 million?

      Fuck Kamala Harris. Fuck Borey Crooker. Fuck Joy Reid. And FUCK Hillary Clinton & her husband for destroying the Demoncratic Party.
      • LaaDeeDaaVA (2502 posts)
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        41. ^^ YES!! ^^ Or Bernie as a Dem . . .

        Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.   A. J. Liebling

           

    • LaaDeeDaaVA (2502 posts)
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      36. ASK BERNIE. Hello? Anybody home? And

      his advice won’t cost a penny.

      Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.   A. J. Liebling

         

    • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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      40. They will not include anyone who tells them the real truth.

      “New Blue Economic Strategy Series: Third Way will convene a wide range of policymakers, innovators, entrepreneurs, labor leaders, academics, political thought leaders, and non-profits to begin to piece together the outline of a new and optimistic economic agenda that creates a new bargain with the middle class.”

      No matter how wide the range, it will not include anyone who tells the real truth.

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Art from Ark (2804 posts)
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        55. Let me guess who they are going to recruit

        “Third Way will convene a wide range of policymakers, innovators, entrepreneurs, labor leaders, academics, political thought leaders, and non-profits to begin to piece together the outline of a new and optimistic economic agenda that creates a new bargain with the middle class.”

         

        Policymakers– Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer

        Innovators– Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates

        Entrepreneurs– Alice Walton

        Labor leaders– Union bosses who endorsed the extremely flawed candidate regardless of what the rank-and-file wanted

        Academics–  John Yoo and Paul Krugman

        Political thought leaders– The folks at PNAC and the Heritage Foundation

        Non-profits– The Clinton Foundation, the George W. Bush Foundation

         

         

        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • coderEmeritus (414 posts)
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      42. Oh so they don't want "Centrism" and they don't want "Populism"….

      … well nobody wants the “centrism” of the Clintons, so they got that part right.  But I’m pretty sure they DO want “populism” so DEAL WITH IT.

    • 99Forever (3224 posts)
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      44. The Democratic Party is in a death spiral.

      It cannot be saved.

    • GloriaMundi (637 posts)
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      46. They are going to waste that $20M…

      …since it is predicated on rejecting the one thing that could save the party (as if it is worth saving), to wit, populism.  Not right wing populism, which is dangerous, but left wing populism, which really does seek to benefit the masses of people.

      Evil idiots.

    • Enthusiast (9813 posts)
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      49. Third Way is directly responsible for Democratic Party losses.

      They still want to cut social security. They still favor job killing trade deals.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • dlegendary1 (1006 posts)
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      50. Slow learners is an understatement

      Spending $20 million dollars to tell people that you’re a big top that is very inclusive…someone didn’t learn from the Ringling Brothers’ example it seems.

    • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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      51. A $20 million dollar bonus to Brock for losing…

      :rofl:

      Except hat $20 mil could have helped alot of impoverished children. Fuck the Turd’sWay.

    • vattel (1361 posts)
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      52. How about pursuing justice and well-being and fuck all the politics?

    • Jefferson23 (6565 posts)
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      53. lol Good luck!

      You want a war, you got one.

      This says it all for me, could not be more clear: *we have seen how populism can become an uncontrollable prairie fire, driven by anti-government anger.

      Too late, pal…uncontrollable for your corporate tools to get us back in line.

       

      Great OP, thanks, madfloridian.

      • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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        54. "populism can become an uncontrollable prairie fire"

        Don’t you just love the arrogance of that statement?

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • Jefferson23 (6565 posts)
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          59. Yes. I do and they're delusional if they believe they can control it.

    • Art from Ark (2804 posts)
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      56. It would be like the Washington Generals spending $20 million

      to find out how they can beat the Harlem Globetrotters.

       

      “Sure, we’re paid to lose. But how can we convince our fans we want to win?”

      The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • INTJ (2391 posts)
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      57. Look at is as unemployment compensation for dem political advisors

      who don’t have back-up skills like lobbying credentials…

      They’ve got to be fed and housed until their superior strategic insights confirmational biases can be harnessed in the next national elections.

       

      Third-way, where cheques provide no balance.
    • exindy (1290 posts)
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      58. Lip service. $20 million worth.

      Spending money to pretend to do something. Seems pretty consistent for what’s been happening over the last 35 years. When money is the only measurement, meh.

      Like an F35. Or a VA processing system overhaul.

       

      Disclaimer: This post should in no way to be construed to be pro-Trump, nor should it be considered to be a support of his actions.
    • madfloridian (1993 posts)
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      60. Guess who noticed my tweet? Assume he's reading my 2nd tweet about this.

      Jim Kessler is a founder of Third Way.  Assume he read this post.  Hmmm, wonder what must be going through his mind?

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • Blackspade (3018 posts)
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      61. And this is why they will keep losing.

      Fuck these clowns are stupid.

      Sanders showed them the way to power again, but that would cut off the money spigot which is what they are most interested in.