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    • #382133
      chknltl
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      I posted this at the end of the GD topic: How many Americans are about to Die.

      I’m guessing that my posting my thoughts at the bottom of that OP is why it garnered no responses..

      I felt it important enough to warrant it’s own OP:

      With any luck, my response will appear below in it’s own OP: (editing in, it only apoeared as a link…sorry)

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/how-many-americans-are-about-to-die/#post-382074

    • #382134
      jbnw
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      Think of flu vaccine – we don’t worry about giving others the flu if we’ve had the vaccine.

    • #382158
      Voltairine
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      While some of the Covid 19 symptoms are the direct causes of many of the deaths, my fear, (stemming from the above Kim Iverson video), is that those given the vaccine will believe themselves immune to the virus itself.

      “Hey, I got the vaccine, I’m good to go!”

      …but are you?

      As Miss Iverson explains, while the vaccinated might never feel any future symptoms, that does not necessarily mean that this person can not still become infected…

      …and then go on to easily reinfect others.

      In other words, are we setting ourselves up-are we being set up to be a nation of contagious Typhoid-Mary’s?

      Make no mistake about my intentions: I see alleviating the devastating symptoms of Covid 19 as an important thing.

      I just feel, (if Miss Iverson is to be believed), that the public should be better informed as to what this vaccine can and/or can not do.

      Just because for instance, I’ve had the vaccine, I should not think it ok to waltz into a nursing home to visit granny.

      One of the strongest anti-vaccine arguments I’ve heard. 😀

      To be serious, it doesn’t sound very compassionate leaving granny suffer alone, devoid of all meaningful human connection for her last days, nothing but object of bureacratic administration, confusing cycle of life and death and dignity and meaning with numerical statistics. That sounds as cruel as cruel gets. Frankly, this virus hysteria is a major symptom of how deeply insane we are as a society.

       

      Aloha!

      • #382160
        djean111
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        to the tender ministrations of Zeke’s COVID team.    I would not be surprised if groups like that were used as control groups – rest homes, facilities for the elderly, retirement communities, etc.  A triage dreamer’s dream come true!  @ voltairine

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

        • #382174
          jwirr
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          I have been voluntarily staying home in my little one room since March and if this is not the typical vaccine that we are used to keeping us safe then I will continue to protect myself by more of the same. If they want to give me something to control symptoms then I will take something for my sciatica that has me living with continual pain day and night.

          jwirr

        • #382183
          Voltairine
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          I’m introvert hermit myself. But this is not about me.

          Aloha!

        • #382190
          Haikugal
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          @djean111 this ol gal agrees…I’ll opt out before I get put into one of these warehouses for the elderly. You make very good points, as always.

           

    • #382168
      MizzGrizz
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      as @djean111.

      Zeke Emanuel’s Final Solution for old people.

      If other people take it and it’s proven safe—yes,I’ll take it,most likely.But for now it is strictly wait and see.

    • #382217
      chknltl
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    • #382254
      jwirr
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      That makes this something different than a vaccine as we understand it from other diseases like polio etc.

      jwirr

    • #382300
      Two way street
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      the Cuban vaccine.

      https://www.radiorebelde.cu/english/news/cuban-vaccine-in-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-20200320/

      Snip…..Cuba has Oseltamivir, a selective inhibitor of the neuraminidase of the influenza virus; the antiretroviral Kaletra -which has been very successful in the world in curing the cases of COVID-19-; and the Recombinant Alpha Interferon 2B, which generates an antiviral mechanism of action linked to the body’s immune system. snip

      And the second vaccine:

      https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Cuba-Researchers-Develop-2-New-COVID-19-Vaccine-Candidates-20201127-0005.html

      2020-2024 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #382298
      chknltl
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      @jwirr

      Up until I saw the Iverson video, I thought vaccines were designed to prevent one from getting a specific disease.

      While my thinking may have been in error, I would hazzard that most Americans still think like I did.

      IMO, these new vaccines are absolutely crucial right now. I can only imagine the decrease in emergency room visits by those infected by Covid 19 for instance.

      That said and from what I am gathering, these same vaccines perhaps should not be construed by the public as some sort of prevention from getting and then further spreading Covid 19.

      I agree with the CDC in that the public must continue to fight this pandemic with the tools we have: Masks, Social Distancing and Hand Washing.

      Educating the citizenry may prove to be equally important.

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