Thoughts on vaccines
November 30, 2020 at 6:26 AM - Views: 105 #382133
I posted this at the end of the GD topic: How many Americans are about to Die.
I’m guessing that my posting my thoughts at the bottom of that OP is why it garnered no responses..
I felt it important enough to warrant it’s own OP:
With any luck, my response will appear below in it’s own OP: (editing in, it only apoeared as a link…sorry)
November 30, 2020 at 6:48 AM #382134
November 30, 2020 at 11:32 AM #382158
While some of the Covid 19 symptoms are the direct causes of many of the deaths, my fear, (stemming from the above Kim Iverson video), is that those given the vaccine will believe themselves immune to the virus itself.
“Hey, I got the vaccine, I’m good to go!”
…but are you?
As Miss Iverson explains, while the vaccinated might never feel any future symptoms, that does not necessarily mean that this person can not still become infected…
…and then go on to easily reinfect others.
In other words, are we setting ourselves up-are we being set up to be a nation of contagious Typhoid-Mary’s?
Make no mistake about my intentions: I see alleviating the devastating symptoms of Covid 19 as an important thing.
I just feel, (if Miss Iverson is to be believed), that the public should be better informed as to what this vaccine can and/or can not do.
Just because for instance, I’ve had the vaccine, I should not think it ok to waltz into a nursing home to visit granny.
One of the strongest anti-vaccine arguments I’ve heard. 😀
To be serious, it doesn’t sound very compassionate leaving granny suffer alone, devoid of all meaningful human connection for her last days, nothing but object of bureacratic administration, confusing cycle of life and death and dignity and meaning with numerical statistics. That sounds as cruel as cruel gets. Frankly, this virus hysteria is a major symptom of how deeply insane we are as a society.
November 30, 2020 at 12:46 PM #382160djean111Participant
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to the tender ministrations of Zeke’s COVID team. I would not be surprised if groups like that were used as control groups – rest homes, facilities for the elderly, retirement communities, etc. A triage dreamer’s dream come true! @ voltairine
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November 30, 2020 at 2:49 PM #382174jwirrParticipant
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I have been voluntarily staying home in my little one room since March and if this is not the typical vaccine that we are used to keeping us safe then I will continue to protect myself by more of the same. If they want to give me something to control symptoms then I will take something for my sciatica that has me living with continual pain day and night.
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November 30, 2020 at 6:46 PM #382217
I dug a bit deeper on this topic. Below are 2 related commonly asked questions to the CDC and their responses.
also: @voltairine, Please note, I am not sure if you thought that I was suggesting otherwise but to be clear, I am not advocating against the vaccines. I am instead interested in a better understanding for everyone what these vaccines can and/or can not do.
From the CDC:
” Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have received 2 doses of vaccine?”
Yes. While experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, it will be important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to us to help stop this pandemic, like covering your mouth and nose with a mask, washing hands often, and staying at least 6 feet away from others. Together, COVID-19 vaccination and following CDC’s recommendations for how to protect yourself and others will offer the best protection from getting and spreading COVID-19. Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide before deciding to change recommendations on steps everyone should take to slow the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19. Other factors, including how many people get vaccinated and how the virus is spreading in communities, will also affect this decision.
When can I stop wearing a mask and avoiding close contact with others after I have been vaccinated?
There is not enough information currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19. Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide before making that decision. Other factors, including how many people get vaccinated and how the virus is spreading in communities, will also affect this decision. “
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December 1, 2020 at 1:13 AM #382300Two way streetParticipant
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the Cuban vaccine.
Snip…..Cuba has Oseltamivir, a selective inhibitor of the neuraminidase of the influenza virus; the antiretroviral Kaletra -which has been very successful in the world in curing the cases of COVID-19-; and the Recombinant Alpha Interferon 2B, which generates an antiviral mechanism of action linked to the body’s immune system. snip
And the second vaccine:
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December 1, 2020 at 12:40 AM #382298
Up until I saw the Iverson video, I thought vaccines were designed to prevent one from getting a specific disease.
While my thinking may have been in error, I would hazzard that most Americans still think like I did.
IMO, these new vaccines are absolutely crucial right now. I can only imagine the decrease in emergency room visits by those infected by Covid 19 for instance.
That said and from what I am gathering, these same vaccines perhaps should not be construed by the public as some sort of prevention from getting and then further spreading Covid 19.
I agree with the CDC in that the public must continue to fight this pandemic with the tools we have: Masks, Social Distancing and Hand Washing.
Educating the citizenry may prove to be equally important.
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