Trump adviser Stone found guilty of lying to Congress, obstruction, witness tampering

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    Ohio Barbarian
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A jury convicted U.S. President Donald Trump’s adviser Roger Stone on Friday, finding the long-time Republican operative and self-proclaimed “dirty trickster” guilty on seven criminal counts of lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering.

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    The trial featured multiple references to “The Godfather Part II,” a Bernie Sanders impression, and testimony by political heavyweights including former Trump campaign CEO Steve Bannon and former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates, each of whom said they believed Stone had inside information about when WikiLeaks might release more damaging emails about then-Republican candidate Trump’s Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

    Prosecutors accused Stone of telling lawmakers five different lies related to WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange, which in 2016 dumped a series of damaging emails about Clinton that U.S. intelligence officials and Special Counsel Robert Mueller later concluded had been stolen by Russian hackers.

    Some of those lies relate to the existence of certain texts or emails, while others pertain to Stone’s conversations with Trump campaign officials and a supposed “intermediary” with WikiLeaks in early August 2016 whom Stone identified to lawmakers as being comedian Randy Credico.

    Full story here.

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  • #225026

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    Can’t imagine Roger is going to do well in prison. Given his age, I suppose I should plan for his arrival down here before too long. Maybe I’ll torment Nixon by giving him Roger for a roommate? Wait until Tricky Dick sees Roger’s “tramp stamp”.

    I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.

  • #225038

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    “Special Counsel Robert Mueller later concluded had been stolen by Russian hackers.”

    Well that’s not true, but otherwise…

     

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      @elias39 Roger Stone has been a manipulative, lying scumbag for decades who has done immeasurable harm to this country. I’m just glad to finally see him get convicted of something and take great pleasure at the prospect of him spending the rest of his miserable life in prison. I don’t even mind if they give him a bigger cell by releasing some druggies or something.

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      • #225101

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        Agreed.

        Stone may be a bigger fool than trump.

        Nah.

        They should stick stone in MDC, where Epstein met his maker. Same cell, with the malfunctioning video, etc

        • #225131

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          That’s a nice visual. Me like.

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  • #225097

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    Trump warming up his pardon pen as we speak?

    • #225123

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      Pardoning Stone would be a tough call for Trump.  He’s certainly not going to grant a pardon out of loyalty.  For Trump, loyalty is a one-way street: owed to him but not by him.  His reason for granting a pardon would instead be to send the message to other prospective witnesses that they can, with impunity, lie to protect him.

      As against that, Trump would know that a pardon would look bad to many “swing” voters.  His hard-core base would be fine with it.  (I looked in on Free Republic.  The RWNJs there seem to be emphasizing a successful appeal, but in case that fails, they’ve mentioned a pardon.)  At the other end of the spectrum, there are millions of voters who are so appalled by Trump that one more misdeed won’t matter.  Despite that polarization, though, there are still some people who, as of today, would hold their noses and vote for Trump, but who might be swayed against him by a pardon.

      Probably the best outcome for Trump is that the appeal drags on so that he doesn’t have to confront the choice yet.  Meanwhile, he can be quietly letting people know that a pardon will be granted if need be.

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        His reason for granting a pardon would instead be to send the message to other prospective witnesses that they can, with impunity, lie to protect him.

        I thought he might pardon Manafort and/or Cohen for that reason, but he didn’t. Based on his previous actions, it seems unlikely he’ll pardon Stone. It’s hard to say why he’s been so hesitant to use his pardoning powers, especially considering he’s not exactly known as the cautious type, but I doubt he cares how doing so would appear to swing voters. He’s done plenty of things that, in theory, should have turned off any any fence sitters years ago. If he does pardon Stone, I don’t think it will make his odds of reelection any better or worse. More likely, the whole thing will be forgotten within a week or two.

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          it seems unlikely he’ll pardon Stone

          Keep in mind that Stone has known Trump for a long time and with all of that, a mountain of information about Trump. Something that Trump may wish to keep buried with Stone via a pardon.

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          • #226153

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            You could say the same for Cohen (maybe even more so). Trump didn’t pardon him, nor did he pardon anyone else from his inner circle. Everyone thought he was just going to pardon everyone to keep them quiet, but he hasn’t.

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    Yay!   May more of Trump’s stooges and the Bigly One soon follow.

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  • #225120

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    Way Bumpin’!  Hope this fascist gets at least 10 years. He needs to be kept off the streets for the protection of the public and the good of the nation.

    Check out Trump going all loony toons poster child for classic RW whataboutisms:

    “So they now convict Roger Stone of lying and want to jail him for many years to come,” the president wrote. “Well, what about Crooked Hillary, Comey, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Shifty Schiff, Ohr & Nellie, Steele & all of the others, including even Mueller himself? Didn’t they lie? A double standard like never seen before in the history of our Country?”

    Donald Trump

    US President Donald Trump has used whataboutism in response to criticism leveled at him, his policies, or his support of controversial world leaders.[4][79][80] National Public Radio (NPR) reported, “President Trump has developed a consistent tactic when he’s criticized: say that someone else is worse.”[4] NPR noted Trump chose to criticize the Affordable Care Act when he himself faced criticism over the proposed American Health Care Act of 2017, “Instead of giving a reasoned defense, he went for blunt offense, which is a hallmark of whataboutism.”[4] NPR noted similarities in use of the tactic by Putin and Trump, “it’s no less striking that while Putin’s Russia is causing the Trump administration so much trouble, Trump nevertheless often sounds an awful lot like Putin”.[4]

    When criticized or asked to defend his behavior, Trump has frequently changed the subject by criticizing Hillary Clinton, the Obama Administration,[80] and the Affordable Care Act.[4] When asked about Russian human rights violations, Trump has shifted focus to the US itself,[79][67] employing whataboutism tactics similar to those used by Russian President Vladimir Putin.[4][81]

    After Fox News host Bill O’Reilly and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough called Putin a killer, Trump responded by saying that the US government was also guilty of killing people.[4][67][82] Garry Kasparov commented to Columbia Journalism Review on Trump’s use of whataboutism: “Moral relativism, ‘whataboutism’, has always been a favorite weapon of illiberal regimes. For a US president to employ it against his own country is tragic.”[35]

    During a news conference on infrastructure at Trump Tower after the 2017 Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville, a reporter linked the alt-right to the fatal vehicle-ramming attack that was inflicted against counter-demonstrators, to which Donald Trump responded by demanding the reporter to “define alt-right to me” and subsequently interrupting the reporter to ask, “what about the alt-left that came charging at [the alt-right]?”[83][84] Various experts[who?] have criticized Trump’s usage of the term “alt-left” by arguing that no members of the progressive left have used that term to describe themselves[85][86] and furthermore that Trump fabricated the term to falsely equate the alt-right to the counter-demonstrators.[87][88]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

    Wait….he forgot someone…

     

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    • #225135

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      @ravensong Cue “But whatabout Hillary, Obama, Bush, the CIA” and “They did far worse than Stone!” in 3…2…1…

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    • #225214

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      Oh, let Cheeto blame me. To paraphrase the greatest President of the 20th century, I welcome his hatred!

      I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.

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    What about them?  Or Trump?  Bush, Cheney, Reagan…?  I never really knew much about Stone, other than that he was another colossal prick, but, it is kind of swatting the flea on the elephant’s ass.  Perhaps I just don’t get it – but I think the real criminals pretty much always get away.  The flea on the elephant’s ass, however, well, we swat the hell out of that thing – and while the media celebrates… I wonder… Scooter Libby, anyone?

    • #225228

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      Same here David.  I would rather see Mueller in jail than Roger or even Shillary or Trump or Reagan in jail rather than Roger.  All of them have done much worse.

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        Ding! Ding! Ding! What took you so long? I was missing my daily dose of whataboutism. Felt deprived, I did. How dare we punish a known grifter and criminal when there are worse ones out there? Poor Roger Stone. Poor Rudi Giuliani. Poor Donald Trump. If it’s not a perfectly just world, just let everybody get away with it! Oooh-rah.

        I’ll take what I can get when it comes to justice for any of these rich pricks. We live in an imperfect world.

        And Reagan’s dead.

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        • #225301

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          guess one has to make the most of the smallest victories if you can’t get the big one

        • #225302

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          But why do you have to be a dick about it?  Concerns about corruption originating from someone other than Trump are valid.  It’s not a reason to sneer at people.

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          • #226165

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            @maedhros You’re right. I was being too dickish about it. Apologies.

            It would seem that my family’s position on the matter is more similar to yours, but for different and equally valid reasons. I’ll do my next Barbarian at the Gates on it.

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        • #225306

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          Reagan is dead. But he’s currently serving an eternal sentence in the ultimate maximum security prison.

          I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.

        • #225316

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          I do not have any problems punishing Roger. Just that we should punish equally, whether they are on our team or on the opponents’ team.  I know for many here, it is vote blue- no matter who!

        • #225317

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          @Ohio barbarian —- I did not want to disappoint you after your whataboutisn comment.

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            @salemcourt I’ll take your whataboutism and raise you one, by writing a piece about my immediate family’s take on the whole impeachment thing. They have whataboutism, too, just different reasons which I share. We have common ground here.

            Thanks for not disappointing me.

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            @salemcourt I’ll take your whataboutism and raise you one, by writing a piece about my immediate family’s take on the whole impeachment thing. They have whataboutism, too, just different reasons which I share. We have common ground here.

            Thanks for not disappointing me.

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        • #225622

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          LOL fuck Roger Stone. I lost respect for Assange when he worked with that weasel.

          Tulsi Gabbard - "Not only are they saying that about me, they are basically sending this message out to every veteran in this country, every service member, every American, anyone watching at home fighting for peace and who was calling for an end to these regime change wars ... they are saying that you are also a Russian asset, that you are also a traitor to this country,"

          • #226024

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            Stone lied about working with Assange, and got just convicted for that lie.

            All the current obfuscation by Russiagaters is meant to cover that fact.

            Aloha!

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              +1,000. Reading is a skill.

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    • #225237

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      @davidthegnome Trust me, Roger Stone is a real criminal. One of the big boys, IMHO.

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      • #225300

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        Yep, you called it.  We should start a pool on how long it takes for the first whataboutism to appear.

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      • #225318

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        If he were really so important, he would never have found himself in the situation he currently finds himself in. He was useful to the powerful, but wielded little significant power himself. Clearly, he was expendable. I have no sympathy for the guy, but Stone going down is hardly a game changer. Someone else will just take his place, and things will carry on much the same.

        So, yea, I’m not getting too excited over the fall of this grifter. Those of consequence still operate with impunity and will just find themselves another Roger Stone. And no calling, “whataboutism” changes any of that.

         

         

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    The Washington Post reported that the jury deliberated for less than two days. Personally, I’m betting that it took less than ten minutes, but they were damned if they weren’t going to get some free pizza out of this fiasco.

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      Every jury deserves at least a free pizza. Anyone whose ever sat on one knows that.

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    Stone was convicted for lying that he had connections with Wikileaks. Rest is obfuscation.

    Aloha!

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