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    • #196669
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (The Hill) President Trump announced Wednesday that his administration would lift sanctions on Turkey after Ankara agreed to stop an offensive in northern Syria and agreed to a permanent ceasefire.

      “Earlier this morning, the government of Turkey informed my administration that they would be stopping combat and their offensive in Syria and making the ceasefire permanent,” President Trump said in remarks from the Diplomatic Reception Room Wednesday morning.

      Trump acknowledged the tenuous situation, adding: “You would also define the word permanent in that part of the world as somewhat questionable. We all understand that. But I do believe it will be permanent.”

      “So the sanctions will be lifted unless something happens that we’re not happy with,” he said.

      Full story here.

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    • #196673
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      If I were a betting man, my money would be that Trump is full of crap. He’s spinning more bs to make himself appear …. the King deal maker. I seriously think that Trump knew that his threat of sanctions would never come to life.

      I caught this article this morning. Appears that Russia knows the actual score going down.

       

       

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kremlin-says-us-betrayed-kurds-in-syria-tells-kurds-to-withdraw-or-be-mauled/ar-AAJd59a?ocid=spartanntp

      Kremlin says U.S. betrayed Kurds in Syria, tells Kurds to withdraw or be mauled

      “The United States has been the Kurds’ closest ally in recent years. (But) in the end, it abandoned the Kurds and, in essence, betrayed them,” Peskov was cited as saying.

      “Now they (the Americans) prefer to leave the Kurds at the border (with Turkey) and almost force them to fight the Turks.”

      If the Kurds did not withdraw as per the deal between Moscow and Ankara, Peskov said that Syrian borders guards and Russian military police would have to withdraw, leaving the Kurds to be dealt with by the Turkish army. (Reporting by Maxim Rodionov; writing by Anton Kolodyazhnyy Editing by Andrew Osborn)

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      • #196674
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        @realityredux Thank you for that info. That approach makes perfect sense from the Russian point of view–they’re not going to risk getting in a shooting war with a NATO member over the Kurds, and have no reason to want to fight the Kurdish militia, either, so this is actually the best short-term solution for all parties involved(the US doesn’t count, because Trump cut and ran).

        As for Trump, he really is an ignorant idiot with no strategy at all. All I wonder is what kind of deal Erdogan made with him for the benefit of Trump Inc. in exchange for ordering American troops away from the Syrian border with Turkey.

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        • #197732
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          Yes. Putin made it clear from beginning to Assad that Russia is not going to help him fight against Kurds/SDF, which Russia considers internal matter of Syria unlike Islamic terrorism, and has been whole time active in trying to broker a peaceful deal. Despite US obstructionism, these diplomatic efforts lead to creation of council to draft a new Syrian constitution with also Kurdish participation, as well as the speed of military deal between Assad-SDF when US withdrew.

          I don’t think Turkish NATO membership had any impact on possibility of Russian military support for Syria to defend it’s borders. Turkey was the aggressor, so 5th clause does not formally apply, and Turkish aggression was highly unpopular among other NATO members. Reasons were political, maintaining and promoting good economic and political relations also with Turkey, as well as general peace and stability in the area. Full war between Turkish state and Syrian state was not an option that anybody wanted, but if Turkey would have started it, Russia would have stood by Syria.

          Aloha!

        • #198128
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          As for Trump, he really is an ignorant idiot with no strategy at all. All I wonder is what kind of deal Erdogan made with him for the benefit of Trump Inc. in exchange for ordering American troops away from the Syrian border with Turkey.

          A very valid point, Ohio Barbarian. In fact, such a beneficial and profitable agreement between Trump and Erdogan may have very well started back last January. I love the fact that Pompeo assured everyone that ISIS would still be defeated and that the US interest in the region wouldn’t be hurt. What do you say now, Pompeo? That the Kurds would be protected with any US withdrawal. Is it all a joke?

           

          https://www.npr.org/2019/01/12/684787837/pompeo-says-the-u-s-troop-withdrawal-from-syria-is-just-a-tactical-change

          January 12, 20195:17 PM ET

          Seeking to quell concern about the U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Saturday described the American exit as a “tactical change” in military strategy that wouldn’t deter efforts to defeat ISIS or hurt U.S. interests in the region.

          Pompeo’s remarks in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, come after the Pentagon announced Friday that “the process of our deliberate withdrawal” had begun.

           

          “We recognize the Turkish people’s right and President Erdogan’s to defend their country from terrorists,” Pompeo said Saturday, according to NPR’s Michele Kelemen, who is traveling with the secretary.

          “We also know that those who aren’t terrorists, those who were fighting alongside of us for all this time deserve to be protected as well,” Pompeo said. “We are confident we can achieve an outcome that achieves both of those.”

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    • #196817
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      Good grief, what a mishmash of gibberish and misinformation one finds in corporate owned media. I suggest looking up Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal for an excellent overview of the dynamics at work here.

       

    • #197672
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      Here’s what really happened. Instead of doing what Tulsi would have done, broker deal between Assad and SDF together with other interested partners, Trump withdrew when Turkey made clear that they are going to attack any case.

      After Turkish attack and Assad-SDF deal changing facts on ground, US managed to extort cease fire by Congress playing bad cop with threat of Iran scale sanctions against Turkey, cease fire which was timed to last until Erdogan-Putin meeting, where the compromise deal that all can live with was settled.

      Of course the whole thing of sanctions, ceasefire and final deal was coordinated between USA(+EU) and Russia, and public statements were mainly for the home audiences, carefully avoiding any mention of practical cooperation.

      Summary: ceasefire was the only US achievement on plus side, not much, but better than nothing. Against the real betrayal of Kurds, not helping but preventing them from negotiating deal with Assad, total score highly negative.

      Aloha!

    • #198150
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      “So the sanctions will be lifted unless something happens that we’re not happy with,”

      Is the “we” in the sentence the Royal “we”?

      When is The Don going to impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia and Israel if they do anything that doesn’t make him “happy”?

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    • #198168
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      Of course he is lifting the sanctions. Turkey is essential to NATO.

      Anyone, who thinks that anyone in DC is crying crocodile tears

      about the Kurds, is fooling him/herself. The fury against Trump’s

      decision comes with the realization that our efforts in Syria have

      failed. This is unacceptable to Israel, its followers and to the

      neocons. If I may say so: It was a far better organized retreat

      than the one in Vietnam.

      • #198238
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        @sadoldgirl That’s giving the orange cockwomble way too much credit. There were only a thousand American troops to move out, as opposed to at least tens of thousands from Vietnam. The two are not comparable in any way.

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    • #198577
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      @Ohio Barbarian:

      Friend. you got me wrong in this if you think

      that Trump did this with clear knowledge of

      the situation. He has advisors though, who will

      give him the necessary cover.

      Unlike many here I  don’t agree that Trump is an

      idiot. You cannot fall back on this when dealing with

      a criminal conman. Never, ever underestimate your

      foe. The fact that his lesser able in this category  lost

      to him, proves his cunning. You may accuse me of

      underestimating the general public’s perception.

      And you may agree with one of my nephew’s distaste

      of  my  “disgusting cynicism”, but unfortunately I

      have been proven right more often than not.

      • #198896
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        @sadoldgirl Well, we’ll just have to disagree. I really am convinced Trump is a fucking moron. He’s got some cunning, he knows how to play a room, but if he hadn’t been born filthy rich he would never have been anything except maybe a successful used car salesman or televangelist.

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