Trump at the Rubicon

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    • #11100
      Ohio Barbarian
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      On all but the conclusion, I almost completely agree with the Trotskyists on this one. Clearly, to me, if Trump declares a national emergency just so he can get money for a border wall most Americans and Congresscritters oppose, he is gunning for a dictatorship and should be impeached, votes in the Senate or not. From the editorial:

      US President Donald Trump visited the southern border of the United States on Thursday, where he continued to peddle his lying claims that the country is in the jaws of a crisis caused by criminals and drugs flowing in from Mexico.

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      This threat(to declare a national emergency) is the consummation of systematic efforts under the Bush and Obama administrations to expand the powers of the presidency to undermine bedrock principles of democratic rule and fundamental rights protected under the Constitution.

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      Such an action would concentrate in his hands, and in those of his successors, a new mechanism for the exercise of unrestrained presidential power. In this fundamentally new political system, the vast resources that are regularly allocated by Congress to the military could be marshalled by the president to carry out actions not just internationally, but within the United States itself.

      If there is anything that constitutes “high crimes and misdemeanors,” justifying the immediate initiation of impeachment procedures, it is such a threat to override Congress through executive fiat.

      (click here for full editorial)

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    • #11101
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The Democrats and the courts can stop this if they want to. As much pressure as possible should be brought to bear on congressional Republicans as well–do they really want a dictatorship? Some of them probably do. Most? I suppose we will find out in the next few months.

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #11106
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      What is striking, however, is the extraordinarily restrained response…from Trump’s critics in Washington and in the media.  The New York Times, which speaks for the Democratic Party and a substantial section of the financial elite, published an article Thursday calling the declaration of a national emergency “the only politically realistic way out of the shutdown crisis in the nation’s capital.”

      While acknowledging that the move would “be an extraordinary violation of constitutional norms,” the newspapers all but endorsed the action: “Trump’s threatened move offers both sides a face-saving solution in the budget standoff between the president and congressional Democrats.”

      Notably, it was Trump’s Republican allies who raised more serious concerns. Senator Marco Rubio, who opposed the action, said, “If today the national emergency is border security, tomorrow the national emergency might be climate change.”

      It does not take a great deal of imagination to recognize that states of emergency will be invoked, one after another, to carry through the most draconian measures….to declare an emergency would clear the way for Trump or his successors to bypass congressional and popular opposition and implement whatever policies the president wants—whether a massive escalation of military operations or sweeping attacks on the social and democratic rights of the population.

    • #11131
      xyzse
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      Posted this elsewhere, but might as well put it through here too…

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      Please correct me if I am wrong, but there are a few questions I need to answers to with this whole matter.  They are:

      • Isn’t there a wall already?  (I mean if there wasn’t, wouldn’t that Migrant Caravan have already passed through?)
      • Where does he wish to build this wall? (As mentioned, there is a wall already in place, those without physical barriers are found in private owned lands.)
      • If he does intend to do so, does this mean he is going to use eminent domain on current land owners? (If he does, he will have to pay these folks, and perhaps $5 Billion is not enough to do so fairly + the actual cost of the wall + maintenance and those who would man the barrier)
      • What has happened with our Defense Spending?  Since he’s mentioning that this is in our National Defense, shouldn’t that be part of it instead?  With the extra billions provided to him by Congress, doesn’t that pay for it any way?
      • Was that Defense Spending Budget pocketed by nefarious entities?

      Curious minds wish to know.  Well, at least I do.

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      In some ways, perhaps I am misinformed, but… again, I have not quite been as engaged in this subject as I should.

    • #11147
      bazukhov
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      Will his ornately gilded yacht spring a leak while crossing?   Are there life belts?

      He’s painted himself into a corner.   His idiot supporters are demanding that he declare a National Emergency even though an emergency doesn’t exist.   He’ll do it just to save face.  And, of course, declare it a Glorious Victory!!

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #11171
      MistaP
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      as always, the real concern will be the next President, and the one after that: even if Trump doesn’t pull the trigger, the idea’s been floated and both parties nodded their heads in agreement

      same with SCOTUS coups/bench-packing, voter caging, PATRIOT’s Presidential-pleasure exemption to the Constitution, AUMF, Iraq, “looking forward” on war criminals, “signature strikes,” primary rigging, these are all things that erode what’s called “governmentality,” the normal and accountable functioning of the state

    • #11188
      doh1304
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      To be more blunt about it:

      Qoute from NYT: Senator Marco Rubio, who opposed the action, said, “If today the national emergency is border security, tomorrow the national emergency might be climate change.”

      Senator Rubio is not concerned that Trump or some future President may abuse the tactic. (a legitimate fear) He (and the NYT) is afraid that some future President will use it to actually do something about a real emergency.

      Dateline 2022: President Sanders, under pressure to sign the “Protect New York From The Rising Sea With A 50 Foot Wall” bill (written by a New York construction firm for Senator Schumer) instead declares a state of emergency and addresses global heat death.

      Don’t worry Little Marco, it’ll never happen.

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