Trump defends Soviet Union's 1979 invasion of Afghanistan

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      Washington (CNN)During his freewheeling, 90-minute cabinet meeting Wednesday, President Donald Trump briefly argued that the Soviet Union “was right” to invade Afghanistan in 1979 because “terrorists were going into Russia,” a head-scratching aside that was widely criticized as historically inaccurate.

      “Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia. So you take a look at other countries. Pakistan is there. They should be fighting,” Trump said.

      “But Russia should be fighting. The reason Russia was in, in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt. They went into being called Russia again as opposed to the Soviet Union,” he added.

      The Soviet Union, which was comprised of Russia and several now independent Eastern European and Asian nations, did in fact invade Afghanistan amid Cold War tensions with the US.

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    • #8364
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      He not only does not stop digging, he breaks out the power equipment to dig deeper and faster.

      He makes W look like Einstein.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #8365
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      Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979 to stop terrorist attacks in the Soviet Union that were coming from that country. The allegation isn’t even remotely true. The Brezhnev regime sent in its troops because an insurgency opposed to its client regime in Kabul was gaining strength; an insurgency that was both Islamic, nationalist, and traditional in the sense of Afghans opposing foreign domination for thousands of years.

      In short, the Russian invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was a continuation of the “Great Game” that had played out in that part of the world between the Russian and British Empires for two centuries or more. It had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism.

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      did he somehow know that the Russian Duma recently passed a draft resolution rehabilitating that invasion.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/04/defying-history-moscow-moves-defend-soviet-war-afghanistan/?noredirect=on

      If the latter is true, it is amazing that he was aware of that given how little he reads or understands history or cares what legislatures in other countries are doing.

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      Watch the conference, Trump was using The Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan as a cautionary tale for the USA to get out asap.  The MSM and other idiots are too dense or intentionally obtuse to get that.  All this negative and misleading reporting on this subject is subtle propaganda to keep the USA in Syria and Afghanistan indefinitely.

      • #8569
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        We must never end our endless wars, and never, ever get out of Syria, Afghanistan, or Yemen.

        • #8583
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          You are equating criticism of Donald Trump’s colossal historical ignorance with the imperialist policy position of forever profitable war. They are two fundamentally different things. One of those things is not like the other. At all.

          We should not allow any president to rewrite history, especially when he’s either just making s h i t up or deliberately repeating the latest official Russian revision of history, which is pretty damned nationalist and in denial about less than pretty Russian motives for their Afghan War. It’s one of the two. Take your pick.

          Yeah, we should get the feck out of Afghanistan. Pretending Trump wants to do the same is foolish.

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        @ Vanflower

        Trump has given us no reason to think he intends to get out of Afghanistan.  Even with Syria, I believe his comments were along the lines of “If you want us to fight for you, you have to pay for it.”.  His whole take on Afghan “terrorists” is not based on any kind of factual history.

        The Soviet union overextended their forces and tried to hold too much ground with too little organization.  It didnt help that they were fighting proxie and financial war with the US and a good part of Europe, as well.

        Some give Reagan the credit for the fall of the Soviet union, some credit the Pope, or this or that leader.  What it really was – was a combination of finance, corruption – and trying to hold together too much territory.

        Basically, doing what the US is doing now.  Terrorism?  A convenient scapegoat, I suppose – but not the truth.  Not then and not now.

        • #9182
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          Afghanistan, the point is what happens when countries invade Afghanistan regardless of the reason why they went in.

          You are falling into the trap of finding any criticism no matter how collateral and trivial to the central point just to be able to mount some criticism no matter how trivial or obtuse – the MSM must have something to whine about.

          Think about it, none of the MSM picked up reporting on the bad result of the soviet invasion and how we are headed for the same result, rather they are throwing bones to anyone who wants to complain about anything trump does.

          Remember, there are many reasons to criticize trump, but this really is not one of them.  Anyone reasonable person looking at this objectively would find this criticism of trump as petty, which in turn hurts the credibility of other legitimate criticisms.

          • #9184
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            is really petty and ignores the whole point – which is stay out of Afghanistan because it is an empire killer, and therefore, the USA would be wise to get out asap.

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            You are also right that the media fails to draw the obvious parallel between Russia’s failure to subjugate Afghanistan and our own.

            That said, I really don’t care what the media’s motives are for mocking Trump’s pathetic ignorance, so long as they do mock him and point out just how wrong he is. It has always been unacceptable to me to have a president be such an ignorant idiot.

            That is not a trivial matter. It is a critically important matter. George W. Bush made some colossally bad decisions, partially because he was an ignorant idiot, too. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama showed their ignorance of history by extending NATO into Russia’s front yard, meddling in Ukraine, and overthrowing Qaddafi in Libya. There are many other examples.

            I criticized them at the time for the same reasons I now criticize Trump.

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      Will he next tell us that Hitler was right to invade Poland because  Polish “terrorists” were invading Germany?

       To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”

      Thomas Paine

       

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        “That said, I really don’t care what the media’s motives are for mocking Trump’s pathetic ignorance, so long as they do mock him and point out just how wrong he is. It has always been unacceptable to me to have a president be such an ignorant idiot.”

        Is it possible you and the American people are all being played and are actually simply watching a divide and conquer show where the media and Trump play the thesis and antithesis while both working for the same masters (global elite bankers/corporate billionaires)? After all, it was Wilbur Ross and Lord Rothschild that bailed out Trumps failing casinos and real estate holdings in the early 1990’s. It was Henry Kissinger calling the shots on foreign policy behind the scenes with both Clinton and Trump. Did you not notice how staged the meeting looked between Schumer and Pelosi with Trump and Pence (like a poorly performed WWF match)? Do you really think a sitting president allows Kanye West to talk unimpeded from the oval office for that length of time? It is staged for dividing and conquering. It is all distraction. Are you familiar with the elites use of the Hegelian Dialectic to achieve results? Look into the Blackstone Group and its BOD to see more clearly how the banksters really operate. The global mafia play all sides.

        Oh, and Kissinger met with Putin the week before Trump was selected as President of the United States. The very same week the world Zionist Congress leaders met in Moscow.

        https://zionistreport.com/2016/12/world-jewish-congress-president-russias-fight-anti-semitism-good-jews-russia/

        This show we are watching is likely all orchestrated, staged for US public consumption while overseas the elite continue their plans and further enrich themselves through such duping of the public.

        Think clearly. Their media lies incessantly to keep the public spinning. No one knows what the truth is at all anymore. They lie about everything. That is simply easy to see and people need to wake up to that reality and quit falling for the show that is intended to deceive them.

        There is a chance for a better world for all of us once we remove all of them from power. People have to start seeing through their act in order to disempower them. We have to quit picking sides and instead see through their game. Quit watching their MSM and find the truth elsewhere. We have to quit empowering a corrupt system where the media plays a lead role.

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          The only thing that the “global elite bankers/corporate billionaires” may be unhappy about is that the politician whom they have hooked their wagon to has turned out to be so ignorant and self-centered that their carefully laid plans may blow up in the face of a revitalized progressive movement led by the likes of Bernie, AOC, etc.

          The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

          "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

          National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

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      <p><p>and the 1991-2000 wars between Chechnya and Russia mixed up. IOW, I think someone told him some recent history and he is now conflating it with some other Russian conflict. </p></p>

      Forcing people to work without pay is akin to slavery.

      • #9063
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        For Trump, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Bumfeckistan, same thing. They’re all ragheads, right? What a pathetic mentality he has.

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      • #9458
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        so I think there maybe something to what you are saying.  For sure the global elites are trying to divide and conquer and succeeding so well judging by Today’s political correctness, assault on free speech, and identity politics.

        This I do know – the MSM does not report news, but rather informs people on what they should think.  Many blindly latch on to “news” that fits their narrative.  Some commenters like to write about cognitive dissonance, but can’t see that it them that rail against anything that does not fit their virtue signaling narrative.

         

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