Trump denies being told about Russian bounties to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan

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    • #330803
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump on Sunday said he was never briefed about Russian efforts to pay bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan, blasting a New York Times report that he had been told about Moscow’s cash rewards but had not moved to respond.

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      “Nobody briefed or told me, @VP Pence, or Chief of Staff @MarkMeadows about the so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians, as reported through an ‘anonymous source’ by the Fake News @nytimes. Everybody is denying it & there have not been many attacks on us,” Trump tweeted, calling on the newspaper to reveal its source.

      The Times on Friday reported that U.S. intelligence had concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit linked to assassination attempts in Europe had offered rewards for successful attacks last year on American and coalition soldiers, and that Islamist militants or those associated with them were believed to have collected some bounty money.

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      Democrats, including Trump’s likely challenger Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden, cited the report and Trump’s denial as more evidence of the president ignoring allegations against Russia in a bid to accommodate President Vladimir Putin.

      Full story here.

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    • #330810
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Their propaganda organ once again quotes anonymous intelligence sources, with zero hard evidence presented, to accuse Russia of doing something really bad and Trump of cooperating with them. How many meetings of their consultants did it take to come up with this one? Did they do some focus group tests–How would you feel about a President who let Russia(buggabugga boo!) get away with paying terrorists to kill American troops?

      Oooh! This’ll make Joe look good! Let’s run with it!

      I swear, the Democrats are behaving every bit as hysterically about Trump as the Republicans did about Obama. And this way they don’t have to talk about the strong possibility of tens of millions of Americans being evicted from their homes a few months from now. Rah! Rah! Blue Team!

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    • #330814
      Jan Boehmerman
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      Any dumbass that believes that claim should be flogged!

    • #330853
      peacecorps
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      An investigation would easily reveal what happened and it would not take very long. Congress is supposed to conduct oversight of the executive branch. (Some GOP senators want to investigate Hunter Biden from years ago. Surely this is as important as that.) Maybe they should actually do that.Then we would know if Trump is lying or the NYT is lying rather than just assuming (you know what that makes someone) that we know because it fits our agenda. (That’s more of a Trumpian thing.)

      It would be interesting to see if Trump allowed administration officials to testify at an investigation.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

    • #330858
      Punxsutawney
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      The question is why do we have troops there? An honest answer please! And if the population agrees with such, what are we willing to tolerate in lives and $ to to reach that goal? Assuming it’s reachable. But MIC propaganda outlets like the Times or the Washington Post aren’t going to ask that. Instead they are going to spew crap to attack tRumpy, or frighten us into supporting their agenda, while we go broke and die here in the states from lack of healthcare and rent extraction.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #330870
      jbnw
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      Biden is partially responsible for nearly half of that – but I suspect few “journalists” will mention that.

    • #330878
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @peacecorps We shouldn’t just take the intelligence agencies’ word for it without hard evidence. They lied to us about Saddam and weapons of mass destruction. They lied to us about Russian interference in the last election on behalf of Trump. They could easily be lying now.

      If they throw some hard evidence The Intercept’s way, then I’ll take their claims seriously.

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      Jan Boehmerman
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      peacecorps
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      as ‘doing nothing’ would be the appropriate response. Trump should clearly state that.

      Again, an investigation is warranted to determine what our government knew, when it knew it and why it did what it did.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

    • #330891
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @peacecorps After watching congressional “investigations” from the impeachment of Bill Clinton for a blowjob through Benghazi and the deliberately flawed impeachment of Donald Trump, forgive me if I don’t trust my own Congress to objectively investigate anything.

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      Something about early Korean conflict and MIG 15s being piloted by Russian Instructors, Russian freelancers, and bounties being offered to pit the MIG against the F86 Sabers.

       

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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    • #330935
      peacecorps
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      (mostly from the right, of course) that suit our preconceived beliefs. That suits the GOP and DP (and others) just fine.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

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      There were allegations about emails that someone exfiltrated from the DNC and provided to Wikileaks. Russia must have done it. The FBI and other intelligence services were all over it. In the end no evidence was provided to support the claims.

      There were allegations that Trump did not really win the elections. Russia must have done it. The various U.S. intelligence service, together with their British friends, provided all kinds of sinister leaks about the alleged case. In the end no evidence was provided to support the claims.

      A British double agent, Sergej Skirpal, was allegedly injured in a Russian attack on him. The intelligence services told all kind of contradicting nonsense about the case. In the end no evidence was provided to support the claims.

      All three cases had two points in common. The were based on sources near to the U.S. and British intelligence community. They were designed to increase hostility against Russia. The last point was then used to sabotage Donald Trump’s original plans for better relations with Russia.

      LINK–Moon of Alabama, To Keep Russiagate Alive ‘Officials’ Make New Claims Without Providing Evidence

      Jesus H. Christ on a trailer hitch. Anything to get media attention. How about how Trump blew the COVID-19 response or better yet calling him out for being a racist ass. Oh I forgot, Biden could not find his way out of a wet paper bag and even though he worked under a black president, he is also a racist ass, just like the Clintons.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #331148
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      @mrdmk The NYT and WaPo really should change their names to Pravda and Ministry of Truth. They have been little more than kleptocratic establishment propaganda outlets for decades now.

      There was some poor guy on SV who dared to question the veracity of the NYT story. Oh, the horror! How dare he? His loyalty to Team Blue is obviously suspect.

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      Fasttense
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      Of course he knew. Does he care, not so much.

      He’s encouraging Americans to pretend their is no pandemic as the rate of infection and hospitaluzations goes higher than ever before. While other countries haven’t had an infection in a month but not USA.

      He’s sending out white power videos in the middle of police muders and abuse and BLM protests throughout the country.

      So, why would Trump care? Dead Americans are just how Trump likes them. The more Dead Americans the more he gets off.

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      nobody believes what he says on those rare occasions when he does not totally lie.

      If he is even sort of telling the truth in this instance, he will sue the NYT.  If he does not sue the NYT, it means he knows they have solid evidence to support their claim.

      The NYT lost their credibility during the run up to Bush’s invasion of Iraq.  However, they are generally more credible than Trump, but that bar is near rock bottom.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

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    • #331172
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      @fasttense @ravensong Because both of you are so eager to believe anything nefarious about Trump. Yes, he’s a pathological liar, but even pathological liars don’t always lie when they don’t have to.

      When it comes to Donald Trump, our intelligence agencies and politicians in both parties who want to keep feeding the imperial war machine, there are no good actors in this story.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      MizzGrizz
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      ..word of this latest bedtime story.

      Have seen no proof and no sources named.None.

      That,however,does not stop all the people my age who think they are so politically aware from posting it on their Facebook pages like it’s gospel,because they heard it on Tee Vee.

      The real unbridgeable gap in this country is not between old and young,and not even totally between black or white,or rich and poor.It’s between those who watch TV and believe it and those who do not.

    • #331253
      sadoldgirl
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      Let’s wait for 3 years or so to see a faint retreat

      from this story by the NYT, if we are lucky.

    • #331579
      ravensong
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      @ohiobarbarian – What, specifically, have I written in my post that has led you to assume that I am overlooking the possibility that there never were any Russian bounties?

      In your eagerness to defend Trump, you are overlooking the fact that his constant pathological lying points to a high probability that he is lying as usual.

      Trump is the poster boy for the imperial MIC plutocrat/oligarch war machine business as usual establishment, the darling of the sociopathic super rich and the ignorant fascists/christo-fascists among lower classes whose minds they have assumed control of through incessant, widespread long term malicious RW propaganda, most specifically Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

      Trump gets no pass, or special consideration, from me, just because New Democrats are awful.  Those who believe Trump to be some kind of populist anti-establishment hero of the masses are living in a fantasy world of the most dangerous sort.

      If Trump is not lying, or somehow hiding the truth, he will sue the NYT for libel.

      Defamation Law

      https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html

      Trump Wants To Open Up Libel Laws

      https://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/

      Trump Campaign Sues NYT Over Russian Opinion Article

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/trump-campaign-sues-new-york-times-for-libel-over-opinion-article.html

      Trump is killing the planet for Business As Usual

      https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
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    • #331623
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      Even if he is moving towards doing something you agree with, like withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Personally, I don’t care whether the Russians paid bounties or not; if our troops weren’t there in the first place there would be no opportunity for such bounties. Even if they did, that’s no reason to keep the troops there or to blast Trump for “not doing anything” about it.

      You do know that the Democrats want to stay in Afghanistan, don’t you? So do a lot of neocon Republicans, like Graham and Bolton. Yet you don’t see me of accusing you of being a warmonger, like you do me and others here of being Trump supporters when that just ain’t so. In fact, that’s yet another smear from you, and I really wish you would stop doing that. There’s no call for it.


      @ravensong

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      (That was a rhetorical question I’m about to answer)  This is why:

      https://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073

      The incident in question occurred on the night of February 7 and early morning of February 8, when Syrian government forces—backed by Russian mercenaries employed by CHVK Wagner—attempted to capture an oil refinery near the Syrian city of Deir Ezzor. After Russian personnel came into contact with American troops stationed there, the U.S. forces responded with artillery and airstrikes.

      And it might not be the Russian government itself.  It could be the mercenary company, CHVK Wagner, taking revenge.

      Personally, I don’t have an opinion on whether our carnival barker in chief knew before the press did.  And I don’t think it matters.

    • #331643
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      @spuddemon It’s entirely possible. Like you, I really don’t care one way or the other. If our troops weren’t there, they couldn’t be targeted there.

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      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #332016
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      Word for this BS; and no PC, no more wasted time investigating more Russia BS. In case you haven’t noticed we are in the middle of a pandemic, massive social unrest, the economy is about ready to tank, and Americans are being kicked out of their homes onto the streets, so no! Just fing no to more democratic bullshit!

      Earthartist

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