Trump Has No Motiviation To Open The Government, And May Never Have Any Motivation

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- January 6, 2019 at 11:29 AM - Views: 74 #9070
  i think T alone cant...
  Cold Mountain Trail
  He can veto any budget...
  Ohio Barbarian
  He might start caring when...
  Land of Enchantment
  Congressional pay will not stop....
  Mr. Mickeys Mom
  The Social Security Administration has...
  retired liberal
  But food stamps will be...
  Ohio Barbarian
  Are the White House staff...
  Sorechasm
  Hmm
  David the Gnome
  +++ = good point about...
  Cold Mountain Trail
  And a lengthy shutdown could...
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  Trump Has No Motiviation To Open The Government, And May Never Have Any Motivation
  
  Trump cares only what Republican voters think — or perhaps it’s more accurate to say that, after years of binge-watching Fox News, he believes that all real Americans are Republicans and therefore agree with him on everything, including his hard line on the shutdown. (The people who turn up in polls as his opponents, on this and other issues, either are brainwashed by “the fake news” or are, presumably, non-whites on “the Democrat plantation” or undocumented people who are allowed to vote — in polls as well as elections — as part of a “Democrat-media complex”/Deep State plot to destroy America.)
  
  The members of Trump’s GOP base hate government and won’t mind that it’s shut down indefinitely, until government services they personally rely on become unavailable — at which point they’ll blame Democrats. (Actually, they already do.) The shutdown could literally last through the end of Trump’s term — hell, it could last through the end of (God help us) Trump’s second term — and no one in his base will blame him or congressional Republicans for it.
  
  https://crooksandliars.com/2019/01/trump-has-no-motiviation-open-government
  
  He wants to BREAK THE GOVERNMENT, PEOPLE!
  “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
  ~Samuel Clemens
- January 6, 2019 at 2:45 PM #9138
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  i think T alone cant shut down or keep closed the gov, am I correct?
  
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  - January 6, 2019 at 5:12 PM #9188
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    He can veto any budget that passes both houses of Congress, and they can override said veto if they really want to, so you are correct.
    
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    It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs
    
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- January 6, 2019 at 3:26 PM #9160
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  He might start caring when his stupid base realizes their tax refunds ain't happening
  
  under the shutdown, yet their taxes are still DUE.
  “Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart.” ~ Emily Dickinson
- January 6, 2019 at 3:48 PM #9168
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  Congressional pay will not stop. They all got raises. They won't be turning off the electric at the WH…
  
  Will the Social Security office locations close down? Will anyone’s Social Security check stop?
  
  No, it will not… Will Federal payments to health care providers stop? Hmmmm… I can’t think that it would.
  Hell, no... I'm not giving up...
  - January 6, 2019 at 4:08 PM #9171
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    The Social Security Administration has not missed a payment since its conception.
    
    Not even when they has something like two weeks to move their entire base of operations out of New Orleans because of Katrina. Never having missed a payment, is a point of pride with the people working for Social Security. No way would I want to be the cause of them missing any payments. The Trump Administration is on the road to doing just that. That will sink Trump and anyone supporting his government shut-down.
    
    Hear that Mitch McConnell? You’d be one of those becoming toast.
    <h4 class=”spaced spaced-xl spaced-top spaced-bottom”>Mitch McConnell says it out loud: Republicans are gunning for Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare next</h4>
    https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-mcconnell-social-security-20181019-story.html
    
    We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
    If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
    Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
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  - January 6, 2019 at 5:18 PM #9189
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    But food stamps will be cut in February if nothing is done, and will completely stop in March if it drags on until then.
    
    I don’t know about health care providers. The IRS is shut down, though, so people who are getting refunds will feel the effects no matter when the shutdown ends because those checks will be delayed, and all the businesses that bank on tax refund season will be impacted as well.
    
    Oh, Mrs. Barbarian tells me the federal Do Not Call List line is also shut down because of the shutdown. They have a recording and everything.
    
    And the Border Patrol isn’t being paid. I wonder how long they will keep working before the Blue Flu sets in with them. Ironic Trump may be reducing border security with his quest for his stupid wall.
    
    It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs
    
    Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman
- January 6, 2019 at 5:22 PM #9190
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  Are the White House staff working without pay?
  
  I doubt it. Congressional staff? Not likely.
  
  The non-paid, non-essential personnel, the ones that actually make the government work, might as well be untouchables, because the Republican oligarchs don’t have a clue what they do, how they live, and how much they are depended upon.
  
  We’re about to find out.
  
  Watching the government fall apart without them would be the libertarian’s dream, but everyone else’s nightmare.
  “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”
- January 6, 2019 at 7:48 PM #9251
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  Hmm
  
  Assuming the shutdown continues into February, my understanding is that the food stamp budget gets cut by about 95%. Some will still get something – but not many and not much.
  
  By March, as OB pointed out, the program will be gone. Assuming further that tax returns do not go out… welcome to a brand new recession. Likely a panic in the stock market, we will see some pretty massive plummets.
  
  In addition to the agencies, services and individuals already affected (furloughed, without work, some with nothing left).. we are looking at, potentially, the greatest financial disaster in our history.
- January 7, 2019 at 6:06 AM #9349
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  +++ = good point about a possible brand new recession.
  
  one’s due, and that would be a possible trigger, though not a typical one.
- January 7, 2019 at 10:06 AM #9396
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  And a lengthy shutdown could lead him to declare a 'national emergency' govern more unilaterally – build the wall –
  
  without that pesky congress getting in his way.
  The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.
  
  "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG
  
  National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.
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