jdpriestly (4536 posts)March 19, 2017 at 10:57 am
Trump-Ryan-Care v. ObamacareSilver Witch, mmonk like thisNo Truth! No Trust! Bernie or Bust!
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UnicornOnTheCob (1047 posts) (Reply to original post) March 19, 2017 at 11:20 am
1. Not interested in defending Obama's version of Romney Care
No one should be on TV talking about how we need to save the Affordable Care Act. We should be talking about how health care is a human right and that the GOP disagrees.
jdpriestly (4536 posts) (Reply to UnicornOnTheCob - post #1) March 19, 2017 at 11:22 am
2. I'm for single payer, but . . . right now defeating Ryan/Trump-Care is
important because many, many lives are at stake.
But, yes. We should be fighting for single-payer. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Everyone needs and should have healthcare. We have the economy that allows us to provide every American with good healthcare.No Truth! No Trust! Bernie or Bust!
doh1304 (137 posts) (Reply to jdpriestly - post #2) March 19, 2017 at 12:41 pm
5. I (shakily) suggest a differing opinion
Defending the ACA is a loser. Once “Trumpcare” is rammed through the people will see that they no longer have to pay life-sapping premiums while those who benefitted from ACA “coverage” were actually a minority. (albeit a relatively large one) Selfishness and the common tendency to fear and hate those who are frankly just unlucky will take over and Trumpcare will become more “popular” than Obamacare among the electorate.
Defending Obamacare will also drain resources, energy, time and morale from the fight for Single Payer.
jdpriestly (4536 posts) (Reply to doh1304 - post #5) March 19, 2017 at 8:39 pm
8. So knowing that people, maybe even one's own loved ones will die without
appropriate medical care is OK?
Horrors!No Truth! No Trust! Bernie or Bust!
jdpriestly (4536 posts) (Reply to doh1304 - post #5) March 20, 2017 at 12:42 am
9. This responds to the theory that Americans react only based on self-interest
when it comes to healthcare insurance or that we should or even may only react based on self-interest when it comes to healthcare.
Commenting on Trump/Ryan Care and cuts to Medicaid and Medicare:
It is. I mean, this is really Washington at its worst, where families are interest groups, you have children against grandparents…. That is not how America works. Our grandparents are not better off if their grandchildren are not educated, and grandchildren are not better off if their grandparents can’t afford the basic necessities of life. So we are all in this together. It’s one of the strengths of all of these programs, Social Security and Medicare. The concept is: We all contribute and, as you say, we all hope to get old; if we have the misfortune of becoming disabled, we have these basic programs that are there for all of us; it unites us. And we are certainly wealthy enough, not only to afford these current programs, but to expand them.
The Ten Commandments and their counterparts in other religions and cultures represent the laws or rules that permitted primitive man to form societies in which people could trust each other, work together and create civilization.
The Republican political and social views on how people interact in society will only lead to a very primitive, angry, murderous America, a nation devoid of morality, a nation disunited, ultimately angry, covetous, divided and economically weak.
We have to help each other if we are to have a decent society. One of the purposes of religion is to establish principles for living together that encourage us to support and help the poor, the weak. Regardless of what people “believe” about theology, this function in society — agreeing to and sustaining a morality, laws and customs through which we support each other, especially the weakest among us is utterly necessary if we are to provide for our young, for our old and progress as a society.
We cannot have “free markets” or economic exchange without trust, without integrity, without ethics. That’s why we have the law, courts , regulations and rules. They allow us to have order in society, to plan knowing that the chances are good that the societal framework in which we attempt to make our plans reality will work as we anticipate. The chaotic, nearly totally self-serving Republican view of the economy, of the “free” market, is therefore unworkable when taken to the extreme that is suggested in your post: a market in which those who can pay for health insurance and healthcare refuse to help or pay for those who cannot. The result of that, of the Republican health care insurance proposal would or iwll be misery and death for a good portion of our society.
It’s very sad to see Republican nonsense expressed on a progressive website because that Republican, self-serving, Ayn Rand philosophy ultimately leads to the destruction of social values and society itself. The secret to a good society is to strike the balance between self-interest and the interest of the group. The Republican philosophy errs tragically, destructively on the side of self-interest.
If Americans choose to opt out of health insurance that requires them to pay more in order to insure the very sick, then our society has reached a point of no return. It’s just a matter of time until we descend into chaos and worse.No Truth! No Trust! Bernie or Bust!
Passionate Progressive (1205 posts) (Reply to UnicornOnTheCob - post #1) March 19, 2017 at 12:26 pm
mmonk (669 posts) (Reply to original post) March 19, 2017 at 12:41 pm
4. As someone who has a family that will get f*cked by this,
I recommend the post. With the problem of neither of the two major parties being for single payer, our preference, we have to survive anyway we can.
Two way street (1664 posts) (Reply to mmonk - post #4) March 19, 2017 at 12:52 pm
Silver Witch (4280 posts) (Reply to original post) March 19, 2017 at 4:20 pm
7. Single Payor ONLY….
Not interested in what Joy or MSNBC have to say….they suck too.#Let'sTalkRevolution