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    • #231076
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (The Hill) President Trump said in an interview broadcast Tuesday that he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists, prompting Mexican officials to seek further talks with the U.S.

      Asked by former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in an interview whether he would designate Mexican cartels as terror groups and target them, Trump replied, “I don’t want to say what I’m going to do, but they will be designated.”

      O’Reilly later asked Trump again whether he would designate them as terror groups.

      “Absolutely,” the president replied. “I’ve been working on that for the last 90 days. You know, designation is not that easy, you have to go through a process, and we’re well into that process.”

      Full story here.

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    • #231077
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      Isn’t it nice to know that Trump agrees with Buttigieg?

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    • #231081
      NV Wino
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      Does that means we can bomb Mexico back to the Middle Ages?

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    • #231196
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      While I can’t really argue with targeting Mexican drug cartels for destruction because they are pretty damned brutal, the designation of “terrorist” applied to just about any organization or individual really just means that we will do an end-run around due process when dealing with them.

      It’s possible to target the cartels and follow due process.

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      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
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      • #231202
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        @maedhros With Trump, one can never know if he has a hidden objective because he’s so fucking stupid. Nonetheless, if Mexican drug cartels are labeled terrorists, then it’s just one step to labeling domestic American drug dealers terrorists, and then start calling in drone strikes in my neighborhood.

        Then call domestic political opponents terrorists and start murdering them.

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        • #231269
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          if Mexican drug cartels are labeled terrorists, then it’s just one step to labeling domestic American drug dealers terrorists

           

          After reading the OP, that was my thought as well. There’s plenty of rich families and mob families who partake in ‘the distribution’. Trump might need to thoroughly direct his ‘terrorist’ bark to those right here in the Good Ole US of A as well. However, what’s really going on with Trump, since the impeachment inquiry is digging deeper into his ass, is putting on a show that he’s working hard doing his job and being all he can be for the people. I know, entirely against his true grain. He’s still chasing votes for 2020, regardless, while pretending to be a tough guy according to his warped mind in an attempt to float his sinking boat. President López Obrador may have something to say about Trump’s most recent attitude.

           

           

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        • #231291
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          You make very good points.

          I object to the “terrorist” designation in all cases, because the term is so vaguely defined from a legal standpoint.  It basically just means “somebody we don’t like.”

          His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
          but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
          and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
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      Slightly nervious question; is the label “terrorist” a prequel to drone strike authorization? And if so what are the possibilites of similar disreguard for the whole terrorist/familymember/persons in the general vacinity thing as we run in the Middle East?

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      Hasn’t it always been sort of talked about taking over Mexico? I seem to recall that conversation years back. The terrorists that I see are the fossil fuel companies.

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      Jan Boehmerman
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      Trump and his big mouth!  What he can really do?

      They will try a repeat of Colombia (Escobar) .  But the cartels are savvy and will take countermeasures against more NSA surveillance.

      MY QUESTION…. Why were these Mormon families targeted in the first place?

      • #231613
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        @janboehmermann Were these fringe Mormons targeted by a Mexican cartel? One take on it was that it was a case of mistaken identity. I don’t know what the truth is. I don’t know if the Mormons had done something to piss off a cartel. Why would a drug cartel care about a bunch of gringos locos, anyway?

        I don’t know, man.

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      Mexico has a left leaning leader, and left leaning large majority, a party known as Morena, in government.

      Morena Ideology

      MORENA describes itself as a democratic left-wing party which supports ethnic, religious, cultural and sexual diversity, respect for human rights and environmental care. It describes itself as an opponent to the neoliberal economic policies that Mexico has adopted since the 1980s. MORENA states that a new economic model is necessary because the neoliberal model failed in Mexico because it became a synonym with corruption, and the party supports “development through private and social business, promoting market competition, but exercising State responsibility in the strategic activities which the Constitution states”, and proposes “a model that strengthens the inner market, fair wages; a model that promotes syndical freedom and democracy, where the State doesn’t intervene in the inner affairs of the trade organizations”.[49][50][citation needed]

      The party sets to stop the privatization of Pemex[51] and the granting of lands to foreign mining companies who “devastate the lands, pay no taxes and harm the environment”.[citation needed]

      MORENA also declares to be in favor of better treatment of the Indigenous peoples and to carry out the 1996 San Andrés Accords, which were signed by the EZLN and representatives of the Mexican government, but later rejected by then-President Ernesto Zedillo.[citation needed]

      The party states to be against the monopolization of the mass media, especially television, by Televisa and TV Azteca, which together own 90% of the Mexican television.[52]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Regeneration_Movement

      Any questions?

      I suspect Trumpler, at the behest of his Plutarch handlers, will first attempt to instigate and fund an insidious fascist coup, using trained SOA sleeper agents already strategically planted in Mexico.

      If that fails, who knows about this lunatic, he may go all Hitler, and ultimately invade Mexico, using the US military to conquer and occupy Mexico.  He could also then try to justify rounding up American citizens of Mexican descent, and put them in camps.

      His supporters would adore him even more if he did that.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

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      • #231629
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        @ravensong You know what would happen if Trump actually did that. Mexican nationalism would be triggered. The spirit of Pancho Villa and Emiliano Zapata would come back in spades. American troops would swiftly become bogged down in a guerrilla war that would make Iraq and Afghanistan seem like strolls in the park. Casualties would mount at least as swiftly as they did in Vietnam, probably more.

        At home, this country would see unrest that would make the 60s seem calm and civil. There would be massive pushback against a new Mexican War. There would be resistance within the military. Do you really think Latino servicemembers and their comrades of other ethnic groups would be all gung ho about a war in Mexico? No way, Jose’.

        I would go so far as to say an attempted conquest of Mexico would trigger the Second American Revolution. Even if Trump stopped at a coup or attempted coup, the backlash would be furious. Bernie Sanders would be outspoken in opposition and would be swept into the Presidency because he would carry Texas for sure.

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          ravensong
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          Things that seem impossible today may be probable tomorrow. For fascist plutarchs and war profiteers, civil unrest is no deterrent to instigating wars for profit, power, and control. Minorities in the military did not rise up against the war on the POC of Vietnam, or rise up against Bush in his wars on the POC of Iraq and Afghanistan.

          If Trumpler is re-elected, or stages a successful coup, the rules of the game change drastically, and all bets are off.  The rules have already changed drastically. If Trump gets 4 more years (or more) to destroy democracy in America, he certainly will. The pattern is obvious.

          In regard to Mexico, the first, or second, step would be for Trumpler and friends to fund and instigate a coup of the Mexican government, like they did in the recent successful coup of the democratic government of Bolivia. If the coup fails, like the repeated fascist coups of the democratic government of Venezuela did, they will attempt to destroy the economy of Mexico, just like they did to Venezuela, where the repeated US sponsored attempts at fascist coups have failed.

          If Trump gets 4 more years or more, he will probably outlaw protests, general strikes, boycotts, etc, claiming they are terrorist activities, and use this to justify excessive lethal force against all protesters, and effectively shut down all civil unrest with the brutality characteristic of all authoritarian fascist regimes.

          Things will change very rapidly for the worse if Trump gets a mandate of more time in office if he is re-elected or refuses to step down.

          “Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

          ……the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goring, fascist war criminal, 1946

          Bush, on Iraq and Afghanistan:  Terror! Terror! Terror!™

          Trumpler on Mexico:  Terror! Terror! Terror!™

          Business As Usual.

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
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