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  • #177614

    Ohio Barbarian
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    WASHINGTON/ISTANBUL (Reuters) – President Donald Trump on Monday launched a harsh attack on NATO ally Turkey, threatening to destroy its economy if Ankara takes a planned military strike in Syria too far even though the U.S. leader himself has opened the door for a Turkish incursion.

    Trump said he would “totally destroy and obliterate” Turkey’s economy if it took action in Syria that he considered “off-limits” following his decision on Sunday to pull out U.S. forces from northeastern Syria.

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    After criticism from both political parties in Washington that he was abandoning the Syrian Kurds by pulling out U.S. forces, Trump issued a strident warning to Ankara.

    “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)” Trump tweeted.

    Full surreal story here. 

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #177616

    roguevalley
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    Not since Stalin and Hitler has this rhetoric threatened the world so much. WE ALL OWN IT because we aren’t on the streets. If anyone says one person  can’t do shit, I give you Greta.

  • #177620

    Ohio Barbarian
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    “(Trump’s) great and unmatched wisdom”? What a cockwomble!

    Trumpian narcissism aside, I do think all American forces should be withdrawn from Syria and lots of other places besides–Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Africa, Europe, you know, places like that–and that if Turkey does start anything that looks like ethnic cleansing there should be severe economic consequences.

    Of course, I feel the same way about Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians and the Saudis vis-a-vis Yemen, but no one in this administration seems inclined to listen to my own great and unmatched wisdom. I just can’t get no satisfaction on that score.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

    • #177629

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      I’m with you 100%!

      End these unnecessary foreign entanglements!

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #178950

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      I’m with you on ending the foreign entanglements, at least so long as we are taking a side in the conflicts–or ginning up conflict for our own advantage.  However, I think withdrawal ought to be done gradually, with planning, and with consultations and negotiations with those who will be impacted.  Sudden withdrawal like this could be catastrophic.

      I hope that in the future we might use our declining power as an empire to help broker peace, or throw our weight behind the United Nations in order to create a global structure that can remove tyrants and resolve conflicts without resort to violence.   Soon it will be in our self interest for such a structure to exist as a counterweight to China.  But, like Israel, we cannot seem to grasp the idea that we will not always be a dominant power, so changing the rule that “might makes right” now, while we are in position to do so, will actually serve us well in the long run.

      • #178964

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        @bluemeany Oh, I agree. Precipitous interventions and precipitous withdrawals can be equally disastrous, though there will always be those opposed to withdrawal, either because they’re making money off the war or because they don’t want our soldiers to have “died in vain,” even though they probably did.

        Sometimes, though, an imperial power just has to get the fuck out. The Russians, British, French have all done it before, and so have we.

        We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #177683

    Maedhros
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    Trump’s an idiot.  Yes Erdogan is an asshole who needs to be reined in, but Trump should at least attempted to do it with some kind of skill.

    His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
    but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
    and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
    more deadly than his right had been.

    • #177701

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      @maedhros

      You said, and I quoit; “Trump has great skill as an idiot.”

      I can write news copy as it is done today too.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

      • #177716

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        WOW, quite a thing to say.

        Greg Lapalina

    • #183666

      LiberalElite
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      How could Trump reign in asshole Erdogan?  Trump’s also an asshole who needs to be reigned in.

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

  • #177782

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    in my great and unmatched wisdom

    You beat me to it, OB. However, I call this, or him, a blundering moron.

    I’m on board getting most military personnel out of MIC backed conflicts. However, the Kurds need serious re-enforcements in order to stave off a Turkish slaughter immediately coming their way. If our jerkwad-in-chief would spend real time negotiating a buildup of a strong coalition of fighters from that region to help protect the Kurds from the Turks, then we’d be able to leave Syria with honor and save a few million people from ISIS and the Turks all at the same time. Right now as it stands, the US’s word around the globe has bottomed out…. understandably.

    By the way, Trump, When you destroy Turkey’s economy (so you say), prepare for what an angry and  desperate Turkey may look like.

    Formally RealityCheck

    • #177797

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      When I have 3 grown stepkids working full time with no health insurance and no hope of ever attending college due to rapacious student loans, I no longer give a damn about national honor. Those people have been feuding for centuries and we have no business there, as far as I’m concerned, and the people profiting most are people like Dick Cheney. When is enough enough?

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #179063

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        When is enough enough?

        That ‘enough enough’ train has already left the station. We’re in so damn deep we’ll never escape this MIC occupation crap. Being that ISIS was so damn bat shit crazy, they had to be destroyed as much as possible. I didn’t like inserting American Forces in Syria, but once they were placed there, our commitment was set in stone. I had hoped that either Obama or goofy Trump would work to establish an Arab Coalition of fighters to do the heavy lifting along with the Kurds, in which our US Troops could be replaced. That never happened. Now, we have blood, sweat and tears invested in Syria and that’s where I’m coming from about leaving with honor once the Kurds are better protected. I know how it feels to leave a worn torn country only to hand it back over to angry bad guys. Vietnam! Millions more were slaughtered in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos after we left. All who died or wounded during that clustermuck lie war did so for nothing!! That’s going to happen in Syria once we pull out. I want us out of that entire region but not before an Arab Coalition can step up to protect their own. We’ve made the commitment. We own it much to my disgust.

        Formally RealityCheck

        • #179073

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          @realityredux Well, I don’t own it, and neither do my stepkids. Imperial powers walk away from quagmires all the time when they no longer suit their interests; that’s the nature of the beast. The Romans abandoned Britain, the British abandoned Palestine, the French abandoned Indochina, the Americans did the same, the Russians abandoned Afghanistan. There are hundreds of examples.

          Eventually the time comes to tell the locals “So long, so sad, too bad.” We should take care of some of the ones who supported us as much as we can, whether it’s relocating them to this country or resettling them in a place where they won’t get slaughtered, but we’ll never save most of them, much less all of them. All staying there longer does is get more of them, and more of us, killed or maimed, and then we’ll just end up getting the fuck out anyway.

          I’m not in favor of asking any more Americans to die in a war in which we should never have been involved. It’s up to the people who live there, or the UN, to find a solution. Given the track record of Arabs, Turks, and Kurds, I’m not optimistic, but it’s ultimately on them anyway. The Chinese have learned this lesson, and they’ve been around for a long time. I think we should follow their example.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

          • #183377

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            silence is now, was and always will be agreement.

        • #179074

          Ohio Barbarian
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          @realityredux Well, I don’t own it, and neither do my stepkids. Imperial powers walk away from quagmires all the time when they no longer suit their interests; that’s the nature of the beast. The Romans abandoned Britain, the British abandoned Palestine, the French abandoned Indochina, the Americans did the same, the Russians abandoned Afghanistan. There are hundreds of examples.

          Eventually the time comes to tell the locals “So long, so sad, too bad.” We should take care of some of the ones who supported us as much as we can, whether it’s relocating them to this country or resettling them in a place where they won’t get slaughtered, but we’ll never save most of them, much less all of them. All staying there longer does is get more of them, and more of us, killed or maimed, and then we’ll just end up getting the fuck out anyway.

          I’m not in favor of asking any more Americans to die in a war in which we should never have been involved. It’s up to the people who live there, or the UN, to find a solution. Given the track record of Arabs, Turks, and Kurds, I’m not optimistic, but it’s ultimately on them anyway. The Chinese have learned this lesson, and they’ve been around for a long time. I think we should follow their example.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

    • #183667

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      While Cheeto’s in office, we won’t be able to accomplish anything with honor.

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

  • #177783

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    “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom”

    he said that?  I want the video, it’s nuts.

    • #177795

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      I think it was a tweet.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #177826

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    He knew Turkey would do something like this when he pulled our military personnel from the area where the Kurds live. Our troops were human shields because it would be difficult for Turkey, our NATO ally, to hit the Kurds without endangering US personnel. Leaving aside the wisdom of the pullout, pretty much everybody predicted the consequences. In fact, the pullout was widely seen as giving Turkey a green light to attack the Kurds. I doubt they care very much about threatening their economy, since they know Trump is mostly bark and no bite. I imagine they are also looking at Trump’s domestic troubles and thinking he will have little chance of making good on his threats while he’s fighting off accusations of corruption.

  • #177830

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    He has a great, unmatched wisdom tooth? I don’t care.

  • #177893

    sadoldgirl
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    He is bluffing as he has done with other countries.

    In order to solve the Kurdish problem it needs high-

    level talks between Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey,

    because all of them have their Kurds.

    If Erdogan believes him though, I can hear already

    Putin’s chuckle.

  • #178119

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    Trump Talks Tough With Journalists But Lets Real Strongmen Like Turkey’s Erdogan Walk All Over Him

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/07/trump-talks-tough-journalists-lets-real-strongmen-turkeys-erdogan-walk-all-over-him

    Trump is the biggest disaster to hit US security since Benedict Arnold.

    Why does it matter to the United States? In 2015, when Washington was looking around for someone to fight ISIL on the ground while the U.S. gave close air support, only one Middle Eastern player stepped up. It wasn’t Israel, which talks a good game about helping US security but has been almost entirely useless in every US-Mideast conflict since the Iran-Iraq War. It wasn’t Turkey, which is a NATO member and which, you know, you might expect to be at least a little afraid of a terrorist cult on its borders, which pulled off several major bombings inside Turkey. But no. It wasn’t Saudi Arabia, which was bogged down in its Yemen quagmire.

    The only group that heeded the call was the Kurds of northern Syria, who are the ones who defeated the maniacal ISIL in eastern Syria, with US air support and with the tactical and strategic advice of 2,000 US special forcess personnel embedded among them.

    This solution, fixed upon by Barack Obama and then SecDef Ash Carter, proved extremely effective, and in 2017 Trump and his then SecDef James Mattis just continued the policy, so that the ISIL capital of Raqqa fell to the Kurds.

    But Turkey’s center-right pro-Islam government is terrified of the Syrian Kurds and their Democratic Union Party (DUP), with its “People’s Protection Units” (YPG) paramilitary. Turkey sees the DUP as no different from the terrorist group, the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). In fact, the Syrian Democratic Union Party does not have a reporting line to the PKK and is a tub on its own bottom. While Washington considers the PKK to be a terrorist group that has attacked Turkish (i.e. NATO) security personnel, the US does not view the Syrian Kurds in at all the same light. Both Kurdish organizations are post-communist collectivist organizations, and the anarchist secular left is about as contrary to Erdogan’s ideology of Malls-and-Islam as you could get.

    The two most common substances in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

  • #178980

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    Dear Donald the Wise and Unmatched,

    Get back to me when you “obliterate” Saudi Arabia’s and Israel’s economy for their massacres.

    Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #179066

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      Well said. Donald the Great appears to have problems recognizing true enemies of humanity.

      Formally RealityCheck

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