Trump told ally he’s trying to get back at Democrats for questioning legitimacy of his own election

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    • #379853
      JonLP
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      (CNN)President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President’s thinking told CNN on Thursday.

      The President’s refusal to concede, as CNN has previously reported, stems in part from his perceived grievance that Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama undermined his own presidency by saying Russia interfered in the 2016 election and could have impacted the outcome, people around him have said.

      Trump continues to hold a grudge against those who he claims undercut his election by pointing to Russian interference efforts, and he has suggested it is fair game to not recognize Joe Biden as the President-elect, even though Clinton conceded on election night in 2016 and the Trump transition was able to begin immediately.

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      The friends and associates, this source said, have been imploring the President to think about the future. They have told him he is making it harder on himself, that he’ll have a hard time getting people to stay at his hotels, or even borrowing money if he continues this behavior. He will hurt his brand, they have told him. The President thinks that’s wrong.

      https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

    • #379865
      djean111
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      The butt-hurt and weirdly astonished (because they thought the fix was in?) caterwauling never ever stopped.  Media-wide.  EC!  California should secede!  Really, Trump was awful, the Democrats were awful, and looks like the Democrats are going to quintuple down on awful.  What it looks like to me – efforts to garner some sort of sympathy and regard for sociopath (IMO) Biden and Vichy Dems by attacking Trump, since there is fuck-all that Biden/Vichy Dems are going to do to earn respect, at all.    Oh, and that is reality, not #trumperleftenstfuandswallow.  Biden is now jeering at the left and calling us terrorists.  Anyone who bleats that not accepting that means support for Trump is an asshole.

    • #379897
      3fingerbrown
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      To be honest I don’t blame him. And I don’t giva a fuck about Biden, the democrats, and their pearl clutching beltway media whores who all sudden are outraged that the credibility of the presidential elections could be questioned! I hope he never concedes, as if it would change one damn thing anyway! The MIC got their man and woman in there now.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #379913
      A Simple Game
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      I don’t blame you one bit for getting even with Her.  But it goes back even further than that.  There was that guy the kept saying Obama wasn’t born in the US and went so far as to send investigators to Hawaii to prove it… can’t remember his name or what ever happened to him.  Can you help me out with this one Donnie?

      Oh, and by the way, most of us gave up expecting to find an adult in the political room long ago.

    • #379925
      gordyfl
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      What goes around, comes around.

       

    • #379945
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Sure, he started the Birther thing, which was always ridiculous, but Russiagate was at least as absurd and was repeated as fact ad nauseum by the corporate media and still is. Of course a narcissist like Trump is going to be especially resentful of all of those “Resistance” people in their pink pussy hats going around saying “Not MY President.”

      And of course he’s going to be petty in response. None of this is surprising, but maybe, just maybe, Trump would be a little more gracious had it not been for all of that bullshit. Probably not, but it’s possible. Then there was the impeachment over bullshit, don’t forget that. I can’t even entirely blame Trump, much as it pains me to say it.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #380000
      soryang
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      and they succeeded. they simply don’t care what happens to everyone else. the rest is as absurd as a tv wrestling script. while people are preoccupied with the recriminations, they are destroying the country while preserving their expanding property holdings and revenue streams.

      • #380398
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        They do care what happens to the rest of us. They hope we suffer and die.

        I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

        Me

    • #380013
      JonLP
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      No wonder Trump got 72 million votes.

       

      Was there a special counsel for the birther thing? No. So it is absurd to equate Russiagate with birtherism.

       

      How many indictments does Russiagate have and how many indictments did birtherism lead to?

       

      Every bad thing Trump does is somehow Democrats fault.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      • #380318
        Jim Lane
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        @jonlp

        You write: “How many indictments does Russiagate have and how many indictments did birtherism lead to?”

        There have been indictments related in some way to Russian involvement in the 2016 election.  Were any of those indictments clearly improper?  I know that George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, and Rick Gates took guilty pleas, and Roger Stone was convicted, so there was, at an absolute minimum, a good-faith basis for prosecuting them.

        If a particular indictment resulted in an acquittal or a dismissal, that would be good news for the defendant, but it would not establish that the indictment was brought in bad faith.

        Your post seems to imply that anything relating to Russian involvement in the 2016 election was a complete hoax, the way birtherism was.  Is that what you assert?  If so, don’t the results in court establish that, with Russiagate, there was at least some substance?

        I personally dislike the term “Russiagate” because it has no clear meaning.  You can say that Trump campaign people, including Don Jr., met with Russians at Trump Tower (clearly true), or that Russian hackers altered vote totals in favor of Trump (almost certainly false), or any of a number of other hypotheses.  Proving one of them doesn’t prove all, and disproving one of them doesn’t disprove all.  The result is that the term is, overall, an impediment to sound reasoning.

        ETA: Now on rereading I think that maybe you meant the exact opposite, and that the answer to my question about what you assert is No.  On the other hand, @ohiobarbarian does seem to assert that “Russiagate” was a complete hoax, with no substance to it (i.e., that every single component is false).  If so, perhaps he would care to address the question

        • #380348
          Ohio Barbarian
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          There is zero evidence of any coordinated attempt by the Russian government to influence the 2016 election. None. The Steele Dossier is a proven hoax, and the proof that it is a hoax can be found in the Wall Street Journal as well as JPR.

          As far as the effectiveness of any Russian “meddling,” which constituted nothing more than a troll farm, it was far less influential in the American election than birtherism was.

          So some of Trump’s people were trying to get dirt on Hillary from the Russians? Who cares? There is no evidence they provided any, and Hillary had enough filth on her to lose Midwest all on her own. So yeah, Russiagate is total bullshit.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #380396
            Jim Lane
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            @ohiobarbarian

            You take parts of what could be called “Russiagate”, such as the Steele dossier and the assertion that Russian interference swung the election from Clinton to Trump.  Having rejected these specifics to your own satisfaction, you conclude that “Russiagate” is bullshit.

            First, parts of the Steele dossier have been evaluated and found to be inaccurate or overstated, but other parts have been corroborated.  Your proof to the contrary is in your reliance on the Wall Street Journal, of all places?  To paraphrase E. K. Hornbeck (in Inherit the Wind), we’re growing a strange crop of socialists this year.

            Next, distinguish two hypotheses:

            • There is zero evidence of any coordinated attempt by the Russian government to influence the 2016 election. None.
            • It is more likely than not that Trump would have become President even without any Russian involvement in the election.

            I believe the first of these (a verbatim quotation from your post) is clearly false.  The second is probably true.  The key point is that the second hypothesis, even if true, does not establish the truth of the first.

            Finally, you ask: “So some of Trump’s people were trying to get dirt on Hillary from the Russians? Who cares?”  Well, I care.  An attempted crime can be prosecuted even if unsuccessful.  Suppose Stan and Ollie decide to rob a bank.  They case the joint, acquire guns, and burst in yelling “This is a stick-up!  Give us all the money in the till!”  Alas, loud alarms go off, and a guard appears and starts drawing his gun.  Stan and Ollie decide all this is bad karma.  They flee, with no money and without even one of the free pens on the counter.  Their effect on the bank’s bottom line is the same as your estimate of the Russians’ effect on the election, namely zero.  Nevertheless, I would not consider a criminal prosecution of Stan and Ollie to be bullshit.

        • #380349
          JonLP
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          I saw your edit after my post.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

    • #380071
      sadoldgirl
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      I cannot blame him. Revenge is sweet. I have never seen the

      media (including their so called intelligence speakers), the

      Dems and their mouthpieces attack any POTUS as much as

      this one from the day that the election results came in. So

      what happened to Russia gate in 2020? All of a sudden this

      was the best election in years according to HS? Give me a break!

    • #380201
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      Congress is a circus. Grown-ups? They are despised and denigrated.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

      • #380400
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        What you said!

        I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

        Me

    • #380233
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      We all must go through this… And, that “ally” isn’t much of one, if they sold out to issue your confidence in them…

      You see? Everyone has a price. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone hurts those who they never meant to hurt… It’s just a vicious circle of skipping over the lessons we are supposed to learn in this incarnation, mofo.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #380355
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #380425
      MizzGrizz
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      The Democrats deserve this.They were the ones howling that he didn’t attain office legitimately,it’s great he’s giving them one final finger by turning it back on them (because it’s true,their senile reactionary got where is by a stolen primary).

      Sic ‘em,Donald!

    • #381860
      salemcourt
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      I hope he is able to prove that the IC in coordination with the DNC and the MSM overturned the electoral will of the people.   He can then kick the racist, warmongering. vichy dem out of the Whitehouse.

    • #382020
      peacecorps
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      That would imply that you are polite and gracious when others treat you that way. We know you too well to buy that, Don. Set a standard, dude. Don’t blame your misbehavior on others. (Useless advice if there ever was.)

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

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