Trump undercuts GOP, calls for bigger COVID-19 relief package

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    • #359011
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (The Hill) President Trump on Wednesday shook up the high-stakes debate over coronavirus relief, undercutting the Republicans’ long-held position by urging GOP leaders to go big.

      Senate Republicans had initially offered a $1.1 trillion emergency aid package, but subsequently voted on a proposal providing just $650 billion — only $350 billion of it in new funding.

      Democrats have howled at the GOP’s “emaciated” offer, arguing that it falls far short of the funding needed to address the dual health and economic crises caused by the deadly coronavirus.

      On Wednesday morning, Trump stunned Washington by joining those Democratic critics in calling for Republicans to seek much more funding than they’ve previously proposed. He suggested it would not only provide relief to those struggling, but would also stimulate the domestic economy at large.

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    • #359014
      MackMarkstein
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      Trump’s tactics in general include unpredictability and running to the left of where people expect him to be…sometimes.  His audience in this case is voters who sense what a monster he is but can be persuaded he’s worthy of a vote if he bails them out of part of the money pit he greatly helped them fall into.  If there’s real federal money involved, and this moves Mitch off of his half-trillion dollar obnoxious proposal, it probably is previously agreed to in private, by Mitch and Don and their bosses–good cop/bad cop with the good cop they hope boosting his chances of Goal #1, presidential re-election.  Or, given that all sorts of election shenanigans are part of the mix,  helping explain why Trump “won”; ‘cuz he saved them from Washington gridlock.

    • #359029
      beemerphill
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      Sometimes we must remind ourselves who is making believe that he is a liberal and who is claiming to be a conservative in this election. The warmonger is running as a Democrat and the supposed Conservative is actually a Populist at times. They both want to gut Social Security but I am less scared of the Orange One than the Basement Dweller.  Neither one claims to like Obama care, but it has a better chance of remaining under the Conservative. Trump is supposedly the candidate of the wealthy, and he does steer favors their way, but he is in the Minor League compared to Joe. Joe has pandered to the PTB for decades and knows how to protect their wealth while seeming to be for the working class. Joe assumes that the Unions and workers will automatically vote for him because he is a Democrat, but the working man will actually do a bit better under Trump. Neither party likes the Unions, but the Dems say they do while Trump actually wants to bring some jobs back to the US.  At times it can be confusing as to which one is running as the candidate for which party. Getting a few extra bucks into the pockets of the little guy is what I would expect from Trump.

      beemerphill

    • #359037
      Babel 17
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      “I am the State Republican Party” being his attitude. 😉

      Let’s see if support among Republicans breaks down to who’s running for re-election in a purple district. McConnell won’t force the House to drastically increase the package.

      P.S. This could also be Trump seeking a popular sounding way to jam in more goodies for big business by lumping that in with more benefits for the 99%. It’s not like he’s worried about over-borrowing, or inflation, when he’s in a close race with Biden.

    • #359055
      Jim Lane
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      @beemerphill

      A bit tangential to the OP about pandemic relief, but indirectly related — you write, about Biden and Trump: “Neither one claims to like Obama care, but it has a better chance of remaining under the Conservative.”

      Of all the mud thrown at Biden, I haven’t previously heard the charge that he doesn’t claim to like Obamacare.  It was enacted during the administration of which he was the second-ranking officer.  He touted it at the time (“big fucking deal”, I think he said).

      Based on experience under the program, and on the Supreme Court’s modification of it, there are certainly improvements that could be made, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Biden has addressed those.  That’s a far cry from not liking the whole thing, though.  Do you have a link to support your assertion?

      Second question, about the second clause in your sentence: Trump urged Congress to repeal Obamacare.  He came within one vote of succeeding.  If McCain had given thumbs up instead of thumbs down, the repeal bill would’ve passed and Trump would’ve signed it.  This was not repeal and replace, certainly not replace with Medicare for All and in fact not replace with anything.  It was repeal and go fuck yourselves.  Having failed legislatively, Trump is now back in court, trying to have the whole program overturned judicially.

      In the face of that record, what’s your basis for saying that Obamacare has a better chance of remaining under Trump?

    • #359059
      djean111
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      Helping people is not even a distant dot on her horizon.

    • #359187
      peacecorps
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      the tweet makes him look like a ‘populist’ – the ‘good cop’ to Mitch’s ‘bad cop’. I suspect that the ‘GOP’ in congress by now know how Trump plays this game. Corporations and the rich end up faring very well regardless of Don’s tweeting distractions.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #359201
      Fasttense
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      But in the end he always helps the filthy rich much, much more than the average American citizen.

      And he lies all the time. All talk and no action.

    • #359222
      beemerphill
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      Both candidates already have political commercials pushing their own health care plans. Neither one wants to use anything that would give credit to any previous president. Biden may have been there when the ACA compromise was passed, but he wants to see his own health plan used instead. He has already said that he does not want Medicare for All. Trump claims to want a plan that provides better coverage for less money. Neither one has been pinned down on the specifics yet.

      As to getting rid of Obamacare, unless the Republicans get real lucky and sweep both Houses and the White House, Trump will not get to repeal ACA again. It will continue if he likes it or not. He will blow smoke and talk big, but will not be able to do anything about it.

      beemerphill

    • #359249
      bonobong
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      “Hey, look at me! I’m gonna fix things! It’ll be the biggest most tremendous thing!”

      ….. time passes ….

      “Oh I can’t do anything with this rotten Congress! It’s all their fault! I’m trying to drain the swamp! I’m the GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIMES!!!!!!”

      He is the acknowledged all-time champion of lying and blame shifting. Since all politicians do that constantly, his grifting ability is probably the greatest in the history of mankind.

    • #359272
      Jim Lane
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      @beemerphill

      You write:

      Neither one wants to use anything that would give credit to any previous president. Biden may have been there when the ACA compromise was passed, but he wants to see his own health plan used instead. He has already said that he does not want Medicare for All. Trump claims to want a plan that provides better coverage for less money. Neither one has been pinned down on the specifics yet.

      As to Biden, a moment’s research reveals that he doesn’t want to use a plan “instead” of the ACA.  He favors improving it, and he has offered specifics.  From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Healthcare :

      Biden is a staunch supporter of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), the Obama administration’s signature health care reform legislation.<sup id=”cite_ref-ACA20_163-0″ class=”reference”>[163]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-164″ class=”reference”>[164]</sup> He has condemned the Trump administration’s attempts to strike down the ACA in court.<sup id=”cite_ref-ACA20_163-1″ class=”reference”>[163]</sup> During his 2020 presidential campaign, Biden has promoted a plan to expand and build upon the ACA, paid for by revenue gained from reversing some Trump administration tax cuts.<sup id=”cite_ref-ACA20_163-2″ class=”reference”>[163]</sup> Biden’s plan is to create a public option for health insurance, with the aim of expanding health insurance coverage to 97% of Americans.<sup id=”cite_ref-ACA20_163-3″ class=”reference”>[163]</sup> He does not support single-payer health care proposals such as Medicare for All.<sup id=”cite_ref-165″ class=”reference”>[165]</sup> Under Biden’s proposal, “no one would be required to pay more than 8.5 percent of their income toward health insurance premiums.”<sup id=”cite_ref-166″ class=”reference”>[166]</sup> Under Biden’s plan, all those on the individual insurance market would qualify for tax credits on premiums (a change from existing law, which caps premium tax credits at four times the federal poverty level, or under $50,000 for an independent). To reduce prescription drug prices, Biden proposes allowing import of prescription drugs and authorizing Medicare to directly negotiate drug prices.<sup id=”cite_ref-ACA20_163-4″ class=”reference”>[163]</sup> In April 2020, Biden proposed lowering the eligibility age for Medicare from 65 to 60.<sup id=”cite_ref-la_times_apr_4_19-2″ class=”reference”>[19]</sup>

      Each of those bracketed numbers is a footnote with a citation supporting the statement.

      As for Trump, it’s likely that the Democrats will retain their House majority.  I agree with you that, as a result, Trump won’t be able to get through legislation effecting a full ACA repeal.  As I pointed out, however, he’s attacking it in court.  He’s also used administrative measures to undercut it, such as slashing the budget for the outreach work that helps people get the benefits of Obamacare.

    • #359342
      beemerphill
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      I do not believe that Joe will keep ACA when he has a chance to have his own plan in its place. There would be little reason for him to merely improve on Obama’s compromise health care plan. If he were to take that route it would make Obama look great with no credit going to Joe. He is too old to let that happen. He probably only has one term to make his mark, if he does indeed win.  And he knows it.

      Trump would love to get rid of the ACA, but has failed so far and, unless he suddenly gets really bright(highly unlikely), will fail again. The chances of the Republicans gaining the House are slim. No help from that direction.

      Your points are valid and interesting, but I still think that the ACA has a better chance of survival under Trump. We will have to wait until after the election to find out.

      beemerphill

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