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  • k788976f (81 posts)
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    Trump was a Clinton plant but not in the way that you think

    I talked about this before here:

     

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/who-are-trump-and-roger-stone-really-working-for/

     

    The 2000 election was rigged against Gore, and Trump and Stone had a hand to play in that race.

     

    This year it was supposed to be Jeb v. Hillary and Trump ran as insurance for Hillary, the idea was that Trump would lose the primary and would run third party to ensure Hillary. That’s why Trump was constantly threatening to run third party, even in April, until the exact day later on he received the majority of delegates.

    Trump and Perot have a similar net worth, both ~3 billion, inflation adjusted Perot spent $65 million for his campaign, which is about equal to $100 million in today’s terms, imagine that spending across some targeted swing states combined that with a billion in free media and polls showing most Trump voters would go with him to a third party, you get your recipe for Trump acting as a spoiler. Trump both winning the nomination and the presidency was unexpected.

     

     

    All the wikileaks, etc. talk is a smokescreen, cruz was also mentioned there for instance, but you’re missing the point. Trump was not ‘elevated’ to win, he was elevated so that when he lost, he would continue to get a billion in free media to act as a spoiler for Hillary, calling the republican party corrupt, etc. Trump winning the nomination and election wasn’t part of the plan.

     

    Notice the dates, Jeb launched his campaign on June 15, 2015, Hillary launched on June 13, 2015, and Trump on June 16, 2015. Back-to-back. It was all planned to play out in the manner I mentioned.

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    • k788976f (81 posts)
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      1. The election prediction models confirm what I'm saying & show how it would work

      Armstrong:

      https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/politics-the-risk-of-a-3rd-party-for-2016/

       

      Lichtman, who is now being touted for ‘correctly predicting the election’, was actually saying that Hillary would win earlier based on third party activity, which didn’t sufficiently develop due to Trump capturing the nomination and not having a viable third party challenge.

       

      http://dailybruin.com/2016/08/15/experts-predict-clinton-win-during-hammer-museum-lecture-2/

       

      Norpoth’s model also suggests the same, if the nominee had been anyone other than Trump, they would’ve lost:

       

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helmut-norpoth/trump-nearcertain-to-defe_b_9403762.html

    • Peace Patriot (1297 posts)
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      2. So what happened?

      I think the Clinton Foundation investigations happened and her Overlord sponsors had to dump her at the last minute to stop those investigations.

      Other possibility (or maybe both):  Neo-Cons vs CIA (internal war that erupted in 2003 erupted again – this time over Russia?).  But the suddenness of the Hillary dumping – and Comey’s erratic behavior – point to the CF investigations (which were pointing higher than Clinton).

      • MistaP (3892 posts)
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        4. it's pretty plausible that Comey's last-minute announcement on Weiner was to

        head off a FBI leak revolt–and, remember, the stuff’s always there, waiting to be leaked no matter how Trump breaks his promise (“oh, y’all forced my hand!”)

        ironically it did little to help or harm her, the averages for her and his polls remained their usual up-and-down jitter

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • kelly (428 posts)
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        35. you attribute shame and/or fear

        I cannot begin to believe that. the triangulators ran out of geometric room, like any other pyramid scheme.

        they will probably work things differently next time. watch out for renewed corruption within key states,

        changes in the primary schedule, mark my words.

        California certainly has done the utmost to rig the vote, with way too many examples of bullshit results.

        this is where we are headed, I believe.

         

    • Sadie (3051 posts)
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      3. What was

      Hillary’s back up plan?  Chelsea sliding in?  curious.

      I used to think the same, but this event among a few other things that Trump handed to her, couldn’t have been planned by Team Clinton?  And surely, you don’t think Julian Assange released the Podesta leaks intending to promote Hillary continuing her deeds for the next 8 years?

       

        Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
      • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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        13. i understand why hilary was there, but what was sophia loren doing?

        • Fawke Em (2906 posts)
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          19. She's Roman Catholic, isn't she?

          Probably a big donor to the charity.

             
          • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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            20. it was a joke — just a woman who looks like her (when she was younger)

        • ronRonnie (301 posts)
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          25. Maria Barfarama wishes. lol

    • sadoldgirl (1436 posts)
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      5. In a way I agree, because the evening that Cruz conceded Trump was kind

      of stunned and very brief. I think that he was still willing to lose later

      until that sex tape was released. Then he got really mad and from then

      on he fought her very hard and made his message much more inclusive.

    • Flygirl (1898 posts)
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      6. I think Hillary back stabbed him so bad..

      his ego , temperament said..Fuck you bitch..watch me win..

      he stopped talking nuts..then got real serious..flying everywhere he thought he could eek out a Electoral win..

      for those that THINK he is a stupid clown…you are going to get an awakening!!

      Trump is no ones fool!!

      Bill and Hillary only thought they could manipulate the Election and Trump..they went a bridge too far..

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
      • ronRonnie (301 posts)
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        26. I agree with this assessment.

        Trump seemed like he wanted to lose.  By summertime they were writing articles “Is Trump trying to lose on purpose?”  There were blog posts and Youtube videos asking this very question.  Whenever SHE would go down in the polls, Trump would stick his foot in his mouth and drop down even further.  Never fail.

        Then the Access Hollywood tape came out, and everyone savaged Trump.  By this time Kellyanne Conway came onto the scene as well.  After this point, Trump stopped trying to lose.  hILLary got sloppy and came for Trump just a little too much for his comfort.

         

        We all know how it ended.

        • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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          27. interesting.

      • The Crone (2771 posts)
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        36. Even Hannity tried to let people know –

        He had Trump on his show  many more times than Hill, but Hillary was never available when asked. Meanwhile Hannity claims he couldn’t dodge up from his chair to the men’s room during commercial break without running into the Donald. No one seeks out the media and the public more than The Donald.

        If you don’t make yourself available to media, you aren’t going to win. Not campaigning hard while Trump went everywhere several times over proved to be Hill’s downfall. (And also the fact that the slogan “I’m with her” means nothing. A promise of “Returning jobs” to America means something.)

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • dreamnightwind (726 posts)
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      7. If that's true it would explain Bernie not going 3rd party

      They (Clintons) would have headed off that possibility using whatever leverage they had, since it would have changed this whole dynamic. No doubt they made Bernie agree that he wouldn’t go third party very early in the process, probably before Bernie announced.

      I think Bernie would have won if he had won the Democratic nomination, but I don’t think he would have won on a third party ticket after Hillary getting the Democratic nomination. For a lot of people there is still brand identity and they go into the booth and check-off their party’s candidates, or even beyond that they just don’t think of supporting third party a third party candidate (this is all changing as people get more disgusted), plus the MSM would have labeled him a sore loser who should just go away. So I don’t think such an agreement cost us Bernie, I think what cost us Bernie was Hillary getting the nomination.

      • The Crone (2771 posts)
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        37. That's an accurate assessment. n/t

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • oldandhappy (2865 posts)
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      8. The clinton mafia over managed and over controlled the election.

      They were so busy lying cheating stealing that they pushed themselves out the door.  Kind of funny in a sick sort of way.

      • LiberalElite (3695 posts)
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        10. Heh. They gave themselves enough rope

        to hang themselves.

        I feel much better since I've given up hope
      • goodgirl (2175 posts)
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        11. I agree with you.

        And it is kind of funny.

        Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
    • k788976f (81 posts)
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      9. see

      ….

    • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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      12. to me it doesn't make much sense because jeb's campaigning was even

      more lackluster than Hilary’s.  he didn’t seem to want to be there.

       

      “This year it was supposed to be Jeb v. Hillary and Trump ran as insurance for Hillary”

      • k788976f (81 posts)
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        14. Jeb would've done fine without Trump

        Everyone who attacked Trump in the beginning collapsed. Jeb would’ve done better if every single candidate had actually attacked Trump instead of some trying to act like cowards by enabling him. The former is probably what Trump expected, but the latter ended up happening.

        • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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          15. he didn't do fine before trump, and was the same after trump. he didn't

          campaign, basically, and what he did was dispirited and apologetic.

          • k788976f (81 posts)
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            16. None of the candidates were actually campaigning

            besides Ted Cruz, and Cruz’s plan was always for the convention, not to win. In case Jeb failed to receive a majority of delegates and only a plurality, Cruz would be there at the convention with a plan, but it was always just insurance, they expected Jeb to win.

            Cruz’s plan was to corner the religious crowd for himself at the expense of santorum/huckabee and triangulate with the Paul voters. Before Trump, Cruz tried to pretend to be more libertarian-ish.

          • k788976f (81 posts)
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            17. Can you name other candidates that actually tried to campaign?

            It was basically just Cruz alone after he cornered the religious vote from Huckabee/Santorum. There’s always a candidate that appeases the religious crowd to do this.

            • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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              21. i didn't follow others that carefully because i figured bush had already been

              selected.

              but his non-campaign made me question that and question what was really going on

              which is why I figured trump was the actual “selected”

          • k788976f (81 posts)
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            18. Seriously, besides Jeb,

            Cruz was the only other candidate that had bothered to build any campaign infrastructure after he out-maneuvered Huckabee/Santorum to corner the religious wing of the party, and he was the only other candidate that was actually campaigning.

          • Rozinante (2310 posts)
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            34. Bush led the GOP polls for several weeks.

        • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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          29. be that as it may, jeb didn't really campaign. kinda like hillary.

          • k788976f (81 posts)
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            30. Like I said, none of the other candidates

            actually campaigned either besides Cruz.

            • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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              31. trump and bernie did

      • hippiechick (1351 posts)
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        32. Of course they were lackluster – they were just going through the motions …

        …. HRC & Jeb as the 2016 ”nominees’ was pre-determined by the machinery, probably as far back as 2013.

         

        • FanBoy (6340 posts)
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          33. kind of my thought too — except that jeb didn't do much at the start

          and didn’t even get the nomination, so I had to figure I had it wrong

    • oldandhappy (2865 posts)
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      28. This is the way I saw it.

      Even wondered if the clintons were paying the trump campaign bills.  Guess the media took care of a lot of that end of things with the endless coverage == probably at the behest of the clintons.  Nothing happened in that campaign without herself giving approval.

      • The Crone (2771 posts)
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        38. If the Clintons were paying the campaign bills,

        They paid very little. Critics, even “R”s kept saying that there was little money being spent on Trump’s end.

        The collusion might have been that Bill and Hill would pay Trump X amount a week after the election  he lost. But when Trump knew he could win it, he went for it. Watching the Clinton Foundation unravel this past year taught him that he can do without the one hundred million or whatever she promised him. Once he leaves office, he can set up his own Foundation and never worry about money again.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!