Trump will win again, easily: Liberals simply don't understand what he represents

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  • #200752

    leftcoast mountains
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    October 26, 2019

    Anis Shivani

    I predicted well before the 2016 presidential election that Donald Trump would be elected. I had felt that way ever since he rode down that golden escalator with his rapist invective. Ever since he was elected, I’ve also believed that he’ll be re-elected, more easily this time.

    An illustrative personal anecdote, one of many over the last three years: A creative writing PhD I know with tons of debt, whose wife happens to be an undocumented Filipina, became mightily angered by the promise of student debt cancelation. What about those who have paid their dues by taking out debt, he asked? No doubt he would refuse a blanket amnesty for “illegals” too. His DACA wife, as he sees it, paid her dues.

    Columnists at the New York Times are all angry at the possibility of decriminalizing of border crossings, health care for the undocumented and the abolition of private insurance. In fact, they don’t want to do away with Trumpian inhumanity. They want the oppression to continue, but without the transparent rhetoric.

    Minus the Trumpian rhetorical overlash, war, empire, violence, hollowness, junk goods and a junk life are all the people have ever known and all they want.

    Historical movement in long cycles can’t be short-circuited, as we can see in the resistance of the liberal elite toward Bernie Sanders, the only candidate who could beat Trump, versus the stampede toward Elizabeth Warren, who provides a “safe” alternative and will surely lose.

    https://www.salon.com/2019/10/26/trump-will-win-again-easily-liberals-simply-dont-understand-what-he-represents

    #NoMiddleGround #I AM BERNIE

  • #200783

    Ohio Barbarian
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    I hate these gloom and doom pieces as much as the ones that say any Democrat can beat Trump. This Shivani character doesn’t know what the future holds any more than you or I do. He also doesn’t even discuss Bernie’s chances, as he seems to assume Bernie will not win the primary.

    Meh.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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      Voltairine
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      OP: “Bernie Sanders, the only candidate who could beat Trump”

      Aloha!

  • #200843

    HassleCat
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    We don’t understand Trump or his appeal. Nothing is a given.

    • #200953

      Ohio Barbarian
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      @hasslecat Speak for yourself. I understand Trump and his appeal just fine, thank you very much. He’s a clever, if ignorantly stupid, con artist who knows how to read a room, or a whole population of easy marks. He’s also a racist, a bigot, a criminal, and everything else Bernie’s called him.

      His appeal is multifaceted. There’s some traditional American anti-intellectualism going on, racism and bigotry, but also anti-establishment anger which is quite justified. The latter is a good part of the reason why he defeated two political dynasties in one election in 2016.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #201047

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        Your description of him and his techniques is accurate, but a huckster, con man, snake oil peddler is not supposed to appeal to the American consciousness. We are supposed to be smarter than to fall for a scammer. That’s how we like to think of ourselves. We are supposed to cherish certain core values that would preclude electing someone like Trump. Maybe we are not who we think we are at all. Or perhaps we have changed significantly over the years. Is this some temporary insanity, as when Hitler and Mussolini came to power? Or are we a nation of selfish, soulless assholes?

        • #201371

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          pbs show last night on Jonestown. jones told people what they wanted to hear, in return they agreed with jones’ delusions. the bond led to the death of at least 1,000 people.

          trump is pulling the same trick using 24 hour cable tv, the weird ass tweets, and the pro ‘rasslin’ rallies. how many million will drink the kool aid?

        • #201839

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          A lot of us are as you describe. No doubt about it.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

        • #205459

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          Trump promised economic nationalism instead of neoliberal globalism that has been and is failing horribly the 80%, and voters decided to give that idea a chance. You can’t say that he has not tried to keep that promise, however badly with his bully style trade wars and blatantly open piracy.

          Neoliberal globalization evens the game globally, but makes class war much worse. Economic nationalism, attempt to return to nation state protectionism, is conservative and even reactionary position and it is not difficult to understand why it has support in various forms. But it’s outdated model which is no more functional. The radical progressive altenative is altermundialism, globalization that liberates us from class society. Something totally new, next step in our evolution.

          Aloha!

  • #200961

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    Cut it out and “Eyes on the prize”.  The Repugs won.  period.   They did so because they have rigged it successfully.  In fact, it is so rigged that even a Donald Trump could win.  Next. They will have the numbers for a constitutional convention.

    talking Trump is not the solution.  We need to undo what the Repugs have done to our election system.  That means at ALL levels of participation.  And we are real behind the eight-ball on it.

    I enjoy a good Trump told-ya-so story as much as many others.  But we cannot depend upon the old school arguments about polls, likelihood of turnout, ability to “beat” Trump.  We are up against something much more insidious.  And they are very very close to fucking up everything.

    Drop the conventional wisdom.  Be creative.  Be yourselves.  I do not claim to have answers.  I greatly admire Sanders for his commitment, trying to identify his best path, and pursuing it with amazingly clear vision.

    However, we cannot simply sit back on the comfort of the electoral system.  It is not ours.  It has not been  for at least 15 years.   We need to be doing more.  More.

    • #201368

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      @holland

      The Democrats AND the Republicans have rigged the election system.  For many years.   In fact, I would be staggeringly astonished if Hillary had actually gotten those extra millions of votes in California, and here in Florida, DWS rigs elections openly and with aplomb.   There is a reason why neither party really wants the election system fixed.  So – no selective outrage here.

      I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

      Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

    • #201373

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      welcome to jpr @holland.

      I share your distaste a the Koch sponsored constitutional convention. maybe that is what this bipartisan constitutional crisis is all about? have you seen their site? they are very close to reality……

      https://conventionofstates.com/

       

       

       

    • #201831

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      Also, let’s not play the false equivalency game, either.  Redshift is real.  No blueshift even really reported.  Caging is real and all Repug.  Re-arranging the Supremes to create the citizens united decision, gut the voting rights act, etc., is all Repug.  Interstate cross-check, all Repug SoS’s.  HAVA was a Repug creation and rewarded Repug businesses.  The constitutional convention is all Repug majorities.

      Yes, anyone, even the best progressives, must be watched and removed if they overstep.  However, there is no equivalency on this.  It is Repug.

      Now, it would be easy then, just vote against the Repugs.  However, that is the point of stealing elections, you cannot simply vote them out.  We must do more.

       

      • #205461

        Voltairine
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        You are wrong, this is not about partisan politics, this is class war.

        Aloha!

  • #201033

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    What if he’s not appealing at all?

    What if, in 2016, a large majority of voters were not voting “for” anybody – they were voting against whichever candidate they found the most odious? … or voting against a system that has been causing them harm?

     

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    • #201232

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      When I was donating plasma the person sticking me said he would prefer to vote for me over Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump because I was so calm compared to those 2.

      Tulsi Gabbard - "Not only are they saying that about me, they are basically sending this message out to every veteran in this country, every service member, every American, anyone watching at home fighting for peace and who was calling for an end to these regime change wars ... they are saying that you are also a Russian asset, that you are also a traitor to this country,"

    • #205463

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      People were voting against neoliberal globalization that is hurting the 80% and helping the 20%, and for some alternative that could be communicated to them in simple terms, economic nationalism. Alternative globalization that would be win-win for all is much more difficult to imagine and articulate. But that is what we must do.

      Aloha!

  • #201239

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    Everybody on the planet understands what Donald Trump represents.  Well, except for a shitload of “Americans”.

    Only the author of this piece understands what he means by the term ‘liberals’.  Is that a bit like ‘the center left’?  Does it include power couples like Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan?  If not, why not?

    I just love these words.  They invite so much happy speculation, camaraderie, a spirit of belonging.

    • #205466

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      I understand what he means by liberals. The generic, global meaning: classical liberals, social liberals, neoliberals, all the same: rigged games of capitalism and class society. Top down technocratic rule by Washington and Brussels liberal elites against any and all genuine democracy. The alternative is socialism, which is not answer but question: what kind of socialism?

      Aloha!

  • #201841

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    Nonsense.   A lot of people sat out the 2016 catastrophe because a) “a pox on both your houses” b)  they thought that Hillary had it in the bag and their votes wouldn’t make a difference.

    Even then she still managed to win the popular vote by millions.

    The same people who sat it out then won’t be sitting it out this time after 4 years of madness.

    Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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      Also, lot of people voted 2016 first time in long time, for an alternative to neoliberal globalization that has been implemented in top down manner by the managerial class. An alternative which does not work, but any case it’s attempt for something different.

      Aloha!

  • #202119

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    @holland:

    This claim of false equivalence sounds sooo familiar.

    It appears that you forgot the Senate committee investigating

    the hacking or changing of the voting machines. After the

    IT guy assured them that this was easy, they closed the

    matter, both sides!

    You still appear to believe that we have two opposing

    parties. We already have a Uniparty, which supports

    perpetual imperial wars and neoliberalism. The smaller

    dividing issues are there for just that purpose:Divide!

    I am convinced that the Dems prefer a second Trump

    presidency over a Bernie win. So, the “false equivalence”

    accusation does not fit the facts.

    • #205471

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      I am convinced that the Dems prefer a second Trump presidency over a Bernie win.

      Yup, DNC and the managerial class of liberal elites prefer Trump channeling the anti-establishment rage over Sanders/Gabbard challenging their economic priviledges and even the MIC-Saudi foundation of US “economy”.

      Aloha!

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