Trump would have been executed if he was living in the days of King Charles I

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  • #259980

    L0oniX
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    January 30 was the anniversary of the execution of King Charles I, who was a lousy king but in most ways better than the Puritan dictator who replaced him and shut down the theaters, outlawed Christmas, etc.

    The king, convicted of treason for purportedly placing his personal interests above the good of the country, was taken to a scaffold erected in front of the Banqueting House in London.

    Painting of King Charles on the way to his execution.

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    I guess this country is much more lenient.

    Belief in the Divine Right of Kings

    Charles inherited his father’s belief in the Divine Right of Kings, a doctrine upheld by the entire Stuart dynasty, one of the most powerful families ever to have ruled Scotland.

    They believed that kings were chosen by God to rule, and that only God could overrule them.

    Charles also believed that he had the sole right to make laws, so to oppose him was a sin against God.

    He genuinely believed that a dictatorship was the only effective form of government.

    Republicans you say?

    Revenge of the King

    Under Charles II, the surviving 41 republicans who had signed the death warrant were called to account.

    Most fled abroad, or surrendered voluntarily to avoid execution.

    The ten who refused to beg forgiveness were tried and sentenced to death.

    After Restoration, royalists dug up Oliver Cromwell’s rotting corpse and hanged it at Tyburn.

    Fuck the DNC and its heard of goats

  • #260022

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    It’s odd, how many folks don’t seem to get that a leader of a country, unlawfully using their elected position to serve their own personal interests, is a grievous offense against the people, and is an offense that warrants not only swift removal from office, but long term imprisonment as well.

    Capitalists and their MSM have warped the national consciousness into such a profound acceptance of privatization to the point where a frighteningly large number of people see Trump’s deliberate use of the office of POTUS as a vehicle for nothing but his own personal gain as just “Business As Usual”, move along now folks, nothing to see here.

    Fuck business as usual, and shame on anyone who thinks it is totally acceptable for a President of the United States to use their position as Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America for their own selfish, private, corrupt political purposes.

    Greedy, conscienceless wealthy private interests, personified by Trump himself, have caused the national consciousness and soul of the United States to sink to a profoundly disturbing record low, morally, ethically, and democratically.  It’s heartbreaking.

    We desperately need to elect Bernie in 2020, so we can begin to root out the greed driven, malicious, anti-democratic cesspool swamp of cancer of the heart of America, that is corrupting and destroying our country from within.

     

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    • #260029

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      We can’t “root out” greed and corruption by imprisoning 95% of our political leaders. There is a deeply rooted systemic problem within our method of social organization. The IPCC isn’t whistling dixie when they say we need fundamental change to every aspect of human society. Many progressives want to leave an escape route for capitalism, but that is not progress within our current context.

  • #260047

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    This impeachment is about the Cold War with Russia, the type of cold war where a lot of people die. Corrupt, fascist, deranged, racist war-loving, hyper-Zionist settler-supporting, Adam Schiff, looking to make big bucks in the defense industry when he leaves congress, along with a couple CIA spooks working for the administration, didn’t like the fact that Trump campaigned on being less hostile to Russia. They wanted to take Trump down for that reason.

    This isn’t about corruption (when it was really Biden that was proven to be corrupt here, but let’s ignore that) since the unproven accusations are relatively trivial compared to what goes on everyday in Washington DC. This is about foreign policy, the MIC, and war. Trump briefly held up some weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia that should have never gone to Ukraine in the first place. Obama didn’t send them.

    Adam Schiff sounding like Ronald Reagan at his worst: “The United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there so we don’t have to fight Russia here.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/so-we-dont-have-to-fight-russia-over-here-adam-schiff-delivers-powerful-statement-to-senators-in-trump-impeachment-trial/

     

    • #260083

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      Nah, the simplest explanation is the correct one.

      Trump illegally used the US government for his own private personal gain, and got caught, so he was impeached.  No amount of blaming everyone and everything else on the planet, or convoluted RW conspiracy theories can change that.

      Clinton lied under oath about getting a blow job from a young intern, and got impeached for it.  Thank the goddess it was Republican right wingers who impeached him so we didn’t have to endure decades of RW conspiracy theories about why he was impeached.

       

       

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      • #260090

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        Yours is a partisan view.

        Neither Clinton nor Trump were impeached for committing mass murder and destroying whole societies in other countries. And few acts can compare to the damage that was done to our own society through the repeal of Glass Steagall and the deregulation of telecommunications in 1996 by Democrats.

        • #260212

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          Yes, I confess, I am a partisan, card carrying Democratic Socialist.

           

           

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      • #260153

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        ravensong There’s nothing to see here. It’s only a coincidence that this guaranteed to fail impeachment (except to enrich the MIC, which is the real goal of this fiasco) is led by a racist lunatic that loves nothing more than war: Adam Schiff. The MIC sure loves this. Trump loves it also since it increases his chances of winning the next election, especially when the very same corrupt establishment is trying to screw lefties every chance they get. If this allows Trump to beat Sanders, the war-mongering “Democrats” will love it even more.

        Of all the things that they could have attempted to impeach Trump over, they choose to go after him for not sufficiently kowtowing to the MIC.

    • #260093

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      @birdsong, WOW one big repuke propaganda recital there.  You left out the kookpot diatribe about how “them leebrawls is gunna take all yer guns”.  LOL

      • #260117

        The Red Menace
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        The Democrats have just tried – and failed – to impeach Donald Trump. They did this knowing impeachment would fail. Fair enough, you gotta impeach the impeachable, right? So what did they go after? His illegal arrests at the border? His intent to let those people die in camps as a ‘deterrent” to future immigrants? How about the kidnapping and human trafficking of their children? No? Okay, then surely running arms to ISIL and Al Nusra would be impeachable. How about targeted killing of civilians in Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iraq? Well maybe our material aid to a genocidal regime in Riyadh, in violation of many treaties we are party to, that’ll do it? What about the multiple women accusing him of raping them, surely rape is impeachable? No? it’s not?

        No, he was impeached… because he threatened to withhold literal bribes from Ukraine, if they didn’t give him dirt on Joe Biden.

        Like, hey sure, that’s 100% impeachable. Buuuuut… if you’re going to impeach Donald Trump, and you know the impeachment is going to fail… Then… maybe DON’T go with the nakedly self-serving partisan charge based on hearsay and innuendo regarding an already extremely shady practice with a foreign nation that heavily implicates your own party in the corruption during an election year.

        You want republican propaganda? Because your party just handed Trump every bit of campaign fuel he will need for the general election. You clowns better PRAY that Bernie Sanders ends up in charge of this circus because your party just murdered themselves to protect Biden, their favored candidate. And you’re fucking cheering them for it.

      • #260160

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        not4sale That’s propaganda. You’re trying to equate the left to the right, when it’s the “centrists” Democrats that are on the right. Adam Schiff is far right. I’m on the left.

        A good discussion here of Russia and Ukraine:

      • #260206

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        @not4sale

        Clearly, there’s a lot of that going around these days.  Golly gee, it’s hard to understand why *ahem* progressives would be so angry and upset over Trump, a greedy and thoroughly corrupt fascist billionaire, getting his cruel, malevolent self impeached.

        The overwhelming majority of the left, and progressives everywhere, including Bernie, AOC, etc., know Trump is guilty and supported Trump’s impeachment, and think the impeachment of Trump was just, and appropriate.

        I don’t get it.

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        • #260226

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          ravensong You can’t understand why a process that strengthens Trump and the war-mongers might be opposed by lefties? – well, OK. It should be as obvious why many here don’t want to hop on that train as it is obvious of the motivations of the impeachment leaders — war, war, and more war.

          • #260261

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            @birdsong

            “You can’t understand why a process that strengthens Trump and the war-mongers might be opposed by lefties? – well, OK. It should be as obvious why many here don’t want to hop on that train as it is obvious of the motivations of the impeachment leaders — war, war, and more war.”

            Specifically, how does the impeachment process strengthen Trump?  50% of the voting public right now wants him removed from office, and they are thoroughly disgusted at the corruption of the Republicans in the Senate, for refusing to allow witnesses to testify at the Trump’s shameful mockery of a trial.

            Specifically, how does the impeachment of Trump indicate to you that the motivation of House Democrats for impeaching Trump was “war, war and more war”?

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            • #260366

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              @ravensong,

              Specifically, how does the impeachment process strengthen Trump?  50% of the voting public right now wants him removed from office, and they are thoroughly disgusted at the corruption of the Republicans in the Senate, for refusing to allow witnesses to testify at the Trump’s shameful mockery of a trial.

              Because it’s two days out from the shitshow and you’re bragging about fifty percent.

              What’s that number going to be a week from now? 46% you think? How about by March? What’s it going to be by November, when it actually matters? By November, the airwaves are going to be saturated with Trump crowing his vindication, the corruption of Democrats (especially if Biden is the nominee), their ineffectiveness, and all that.

              And the Democrats can’t really go after him again after this. They’ve blown their wad, and in so doing have basically inoculated him against future impeachment efforts. Further attempts will be seen as desperate flailing, after “the process” (scummy as it was) already exonerated him.

              Maybe, MAYBE if the Democrats had gone after Trump on something that actually impacts people and their lives, either in this country or in others even, they could. have stained him enough to negate the boost he gets from their failure… but they didn’t. They rallied to protect Joe fucking Biden, and his involvement in the Ukranian gas industry (however innocently.) People are literally DYING BECAUSE OF TRUMP, and this is what the democrats go with. In an election year. With Biden running. …And with the party trying to change their own ruled to ensure Biden is the nominee no matter what.

              But sure dove. fifty percent, the day after impeachment, want him gone. Real winning fucking numbers in January.

  • #260050

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    Ah, that day was one of Oliver Cromwell’s finest moments. Beheading a king who genuinely believed in the Divine Right of Kings in the hope that an English Republic would be born. How splendid. The British really should make that a national holiday, as a reminder to all heads of state what can happen to them if they get too full of themselves.

    @yanath I completely agree with you about capitalism and the future of the planet, but sometimes a few prominent examples make wonderful deterrents for thousands of privileged assholes. And they’re so satisfying to old barbarians like me. We’ve got to have some fun!

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    • #260269

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      Cromwell is the second most hated person in Irish history.  If the English had given him to the Irish, I suspect the Irish would have kept Cromwell alive for a much, much longer period of time than he would have liked.

      #2 Oliver Cromwell

      He decided to use Ireland as his own killing field to advance his political career in Britain. Murdered and deported tens of thousands of Irish as slaves.

      https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/most-hated-people-irish-history

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        @ravensong I am very familiar with Oliver Cromwell. From a historian’s perspective, he’s a fascinating and complex character. He was also a puritanical religious fanatic, a terrificly innovative general(the New Model Army was precisely that, which is why it won the Civil War), a competent administrator, and someone who completely missed the mark when he designated his surviving son as his successor(the eldest was killed by Royalist forces during the Civil War).

        I try not to judge 17th Century people by 21st Century standards. One must keep in mind that, had a foreign Catholic power conquered England around that time, the slaughter of the English would have been at least as great as Cromwell’s slaughter of the Irish, with the Irish very likely composing their shock troops.

        There is plenty of evidence to support that contention from Germany during the Thirty Years’ War, France during the genocide against the Huguenots, and of course the Spanish Inquisition. Cromwell was well aware of them at the time, which is not one in which I would want to live in.

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  • #260059

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    Or, during the French Revolution for the same crimes.   See Louis XVI, Robespierre, Danton, etc.  for examples of abuse of power.

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    • #260163

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      @bazukhov Indeed, but we should also remember the White Terror of 1815-16, after Napoleon’s final fall. Thousands more French citizens died in royalist reprisals than in the Reign of Terror under Robespierre. History books seldom mention it because, well, Revolution bad.

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      • #260320

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        Well, the blowback from the French revolution and the likes of Robespierre and Co. was Napoleon and his tyranny which cost not a few lives.  The problem with revolutions is that they usually result in tyrannies as bad or worse than existed before.

        There are always “strong leaders”, like Caeser, Stalin, Hitler, Mao,  who end up taking the reins to end the chaos by using force and terror to bring stability.  All in the name of “the People” of course.   Revolutions, like wars, are not won and the losers, no matter on which side, are always “the People” they are trying to save.

        Too often, to the point of inevitability, the Good Guys turn into the Bad Guys in short order and the result is another revolution.

        One of my history profs said to us history majors, “If you really study history deeply you will become a cynic.”

         

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    I would have to put the concept of believing in “the divine right of kings” squarely in the Democratic Party camp. Their claim to it far exceeds any hope the Republicans might have hoped for. Great example of the divine right of kings and the love of it by the Dem party? Superdelegates.

    And Obama should have been executed, as should have Clinton if all were right in the world.

    • #260341

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      Are you forgetting about the evangelicals who believe God put Trump in office? This is much of the reason I posted this history. The correlation with Trump and his religious whore Paula white and his warlock pal Billy Graham jr …and don’t forget about Pence and the dominionist agenda.

      Fuck the DNC and its heard of goats

      • #260374

        The Red Menace
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        There’s a subtle but important distinction.

        The GOP believe that God selects who will be president (so long as the winner is a Republican, of course), that it is a divine determination, and should be treated as a mandate from heaven. Okay, that’s pretty weird right?

        But the difference is, Republicans make this assertion after the election.

        Democrats make it before, because Democrats have the weird monarchist streak. Remember all the orgasmic gushing Joe Kennedy was getting because he was considering a presidential run? A Representative that has done nothing, said nothing, thought nothing, who has a forehead like a Hapsburg’s chin for exactly the same reasons, was treated as a fucking messiah because of his family name. Hillary and Chelsea clinton are treated as sacrosanct because of their name. There are people who literally, earnestly believe that Michelle Obama should become president, followed by the Obama daughters.

        The Republicans believe god selects the winners of an election (so long as they’re Republicans) but democrats believe that God has specially blessed particular families with the right to rule – even the Bush and McCain families.

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