Trump's executive order targets political bias at Twitter and Facebook: draft

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    • #319903
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to order a review of a law that has long protected Twitter, Facebook and Alphabet’s Google from being responsible for the material posted by their users, according to a draft executive order and a source familiar with the situation.

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      The executive order would require the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to propose and clarify regulations under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, a federal law largely exempting online platforms from legal liability for the material their users post. Such changes could expose tech companies to more lawsuits.

      The order asks the FCC to examine whether actions related to the editing of content by social media companies should potentially lead to the platform forfeiting its protections under section 230.

      It requires the agency to look at whether a social media platform uses deceptive policies to moderate content and if its policies are inconsistent with its terms of service.

      Full story here.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #319909
      salemcourt
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      This is a difficult problem either way.  Should we allow people to say anything at all.  If they are allowed to limit some ideas, who decides which ideas can be limited.

      • #319913
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @salemcourt I have a problem with that.

        Trump’s throwing a tantrum. He’s trying to open Facebook, Twitter, etc. up to lawsuits. So long as they don’t allow shit explicitly calling for violence, they should just let it go, IMO. Who knows? They’re suppressing sites like this one and You Tube shows like Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore with their algorithms now; maybe this will get them to loosen up.

        Maybe not, too. Regardless, I don’t feel sorry for Twitter. Not in the least.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #319939
          ravensong
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          on social media without being fact checked, by empowering his personal FCC to explicitly do whatever he commands them to do.

          He wants to be able to spread his bullshit fascist propaganda to his ignorant, gullible, sycophantic followers without being fact checked in order to be able to control them for his own self serving megalomaniac sociopath purposes – to personally, dictatorially, own and control the US Government.

          He does not want his followers to be able to easily discover that he is totally full of shit, which might lead some of the less clueless among them  to question his infallible divinity.

          “Got to keep the loonies on the path” – Roger Waters

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
          ~ Unknown

          • #319959
            Ohio Barbarian
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            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

          • #319961
            ArtfromArk
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            I think you’re right

          • #320145
            Yanath
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            @ravensong

            I don’t want you, SV, Facebook and Twitter framing political discourse in this country. Thanks anyway.

            • #320310
              ravensong
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              are vehemently against having facts checked.

              “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

              The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
              ~ Unknown

          • #320159
            Voltairine
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            you say Trump wants what I want. Freedom to publish my opinions on public forums without any form of censorship by hostile authorities.

            Your opinion, Ravensong, the lie that you tell first and foremost to yourself, is that you want de facto public forums to have the full power to shadowbann etc. censure ALSO MY OPINIONS according to their bias. No, I don’t take your hostility to my freedom of expression kindly, but I’m gladly you can express your twisted and sick opinions and lies on this forum, as well as receive criticism on peer-to-peer basis.

            Aloha!

            • #320322
              ravensong
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              It appears I hit a nerve.

              Ah, how I love the sweet smell of fascist heads exploding in the morning.

               

              “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

              The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
              ~ Unknown

              • #320629
                Voltairine
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                My political position can be characterized as libertarian socialist, anarchist and communist, so from where I’m looking your position looks like far-right extreme authoritarian. From my position I see no major political differences between Ravensong, Trump and Biden.

                Aloha!

                • #321264
                  ArtfromArk
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                  LOL! Oh, man, you’re a riot!

                  • #321271
                    Voltairine
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                    Oh yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

                    Oh no, I’m not a riot. I’m just oversensitive extreme introvert who just want’s his socially owned UBI to be able to live in peace far away from the crowds and bullies. And fair chance for all our children to live a good life.

                    Too much to ask?

                    Aloha!

                    • #322882
                      ArtfromArk
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                      Socialism– thinking about others, including oneself.  “Libertarian socialist” is an oxymoron.

                      • #322885
                        Voltairine
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                        Anarchist communist philosopher Joseph Déjacque was the first person to describe himself as a <i>libertarian</i>.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

                        Essence of libertarianism is the refusal to violently coerce others under your will.

                        Bunch of American faux-libertarian RW propertarians have been trying to steal the word from us, don’t let them, please don’t support their theft, please don’t try to deny left-libertarians our history and voice.

                        Socialism means social ownership of means of production. Social ownership means decentralized egalitarian ownership, like coops etc.

                        What is your political philosophy? Are you authoritarian defender of state capitalist property norms, defender of the systemic violence of the state?

                        Aloha!

                      • #322960
                        ArtfromArk
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                        I know a lot of Libertarians. They have no interest in helping others, they are just interested in themselves. Just the opposite of American social democrats.

                      • #322980
                        Voltairine
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                        Referring to members of US political party. I know them, fuck them.

                        I don’t use the capitalized word, except when starting a sentence. Any of this starting to get through, comrade?

                        Aloha!

                      • #323004
                        ArtfromArk
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                        I’m someone who has lived through a lot, including the Cold War, the assassinations of Martin Luther King and two Kennedys, two oil crises, and the Vietnam War. You just sound like a troll.

                      • #323177
                        Voltairine
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                        ‘Comrade’ is not an insult from a socialist and communist, on the contrary.

                        Boomer credentials alone deserve no respect if mature age and experience has not taught anything about the art of listening, about compassion and respect also for youth. Younger generations in USA are increasingly interested in and supportive of libertarian socialism, as history has proven capitalism and authoritarian socialism failures and horror stories.

                        Aloha!

            • #322976
              Jim Lane
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              @voltairine

              You describe Trump’s goal this way: “Freedom to publish my opinions on public forums without any form of censorship by hostile authorities.”

              Actually, if he were to succeed in undermining section 230 the way he’s suggested, the result would be that carriers like Facebook and Twitter would be liable for defamation based on posts on their site.  That would mean that hostile authorities (i.e. courts, such as courts in very conservative parts of very conservative states) could review any such post — and, crucially, could impose a financial penalty on the carrier if the right-wingers on the jury so chose.

              What would you do if you were running a social media site and this became law?  You’d have only one alternative — heavy censorship of the posts.  No one could post something calling Trump a liar.  For that matter, there are parts of the country where the juries would be predominantly Democratic.  A social media site would also be at risk if a post said that the DNC had cheated during the primary process.  Better not allow those posts, either.

              • #322993
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                and you know as well as I do the problem is not any and all ISP or Internet forum. The problem is when platform with de facto monopoly position abuses 230 to censor political speech and opinions they don’t like. Bush, Biden and TPTB already want to get rid of 230 alltogether, and Big Tech abuse is certainly not helping at all.

                If Executive Order or some other political action like anti-trust etc. targeted specified only Big Tech monopolies on grounds of neutrality of public speech platforms, in practice threatening to put them out of business if they don’t stay neutral platforms and stop censuring, that would be a positive step.

                I cannot say whether Trump’s EO would do this and only this, that’s for lawyers to argue.

                Aloha!

    • #319936
      Nick Xylas
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      But let’s be clear here. Given what we know of Trump’s character, can there be any reasonable doubt that what he wants is a North Korea-style media, dedicated to singing the praises of Dear Leader 24/7?

      Anyone else remember when JPR was a Berniecrat site rather than a MAGA forum?

      • #319940
        Ohio Barbarian
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        But he’s an incompetent buffoon. I don’t think it will happen. The courts will protect large corporations like Twitter and Facebook.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

      • #320278
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        There no doubts in my mind.

        I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

        Me

    • #320008
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      that Trump really wants to be Hitler.  (he doesn’t have the vision, he’s just a P.T. Barnum/Elmer Gantry clone) So what’s your answer? Torquemada? Stalin?

      We already have the Taliban, actually we have 2 competing Talibans. One has Pence just biding his time while the SJW Taliban is waiting for their Torquemada. (Hillary tried, but too many people smelled the brimstone and wouldn’t worship her) It’s hard to be an American Hitler, there are a lot of Speers,but all of them think they’re Louis 14th. An American Stalin is easy, there are lots of people aspiring to be Beria.

      • #320014
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        And maybe that would lead to civil war, I don’t know. But Trump won’t try it. I don’t buy Mike Pence being the Taliban, either, but I know people will disagree with me. If anything, Hillary’s clique is more dangerous. It’s the Democrats trying to extend the intelligence agencies’ powers, not Trump.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #321116
          ArtfromArk
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          I would disagree with your last assessment.  There are things that we expats are exposed to that people in the US don’t see. Expats can’t even rent a safety deposit box at their local bank anymore without Uncle Sam demanding that the foreign bank provide detailed information about the box holder to “fight money laundering”, or some such bullshit.

        • #321133
          Voltairine
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          but would not be surprised if it turned out to be true that Brennan is a Salafist Islamist and a genuine believer and agent of jihadist terrorism.

          Aloha!

    • #320161
      Satan
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      ….doesn’t he realize that this is all going to backfire directly on his enormous Orange ass??

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #320223
      Fasttense
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      They did away with the fairness doctrine, the FCC isn’t regulating them and, since dementia Raygun,we have allowed corporations to monopolize the media including the internet.

      They consolidate, monopolize and censor. Now the idiot president Twitter addict is upset. Poor little baby ruler of the the richest nation in the world.

      Now if only we could bring suit for back taxes against churches for preaching right wing politics from the pulpit. Talk about censoring speech.

       

      • #321126
        Spud Demon
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        Yes, the Fairness Doctrine was the old solution to “political bias”. If the FCC really wanted to end bias, they’d bring it back.

        But what Trump wants is the opposite. He wants the power to speak without being contradicted.

    • #320358
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      Not to mention his severe mental illness caused by his deprived childhood.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #320507
      peacecorps
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      He is good at both. And his base eats up both roles.

      National problems (slavery/racism, income inequality, pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more national sovereignty.

      A CEO, an American worker and an immigrant sit at a table with a dozen cookies in front of them. The CEO grabs 11 of them, then leans over and warns the worker, "Watch out for the immigrant. He is trying to get your cookie."

      • #320635
        Voltairine
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        is something many can identify with, as we suffer from pro-corporate bullies on daily basis. Much harder to identify with the bullies who want to censure and restrict our global dialogue on Internet platforms and break up our social media communities that can and do self-regulate very well.

        Aloha!

        • #321267
          Ohio Barbarian
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          @voltairine Saajar Enjeti on Hill Rising, who says he’s a conservative(I think he’s something of a 21st Century Edmund Burke), has said the same thing. People on the right identify with Trump because they, too, or persecuted and oppressed by the ruling oligarchy. Trump strikes a populist chord when he plays the victim. People identify with that.

          If Bernie Sanders had screamed bloody murder! at the election fraud and corporate media Vichy Democrat propaganda assault back in March, he would have struck a chord with the populist right as well as the left, as both FDR and LBJ did.

          American leftists tend to forget that conservative voters will respond favorably to universality when it is in their own interests to do so.

          Good point.

           

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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