Trying to get un-spun ivermectin info from India

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    • #445997
      MackMarkstein
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      There are reports that the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh is down 98% from its surge. That’s attributed by many (already i-enthusiasts) to their routine use of ivermectin for months. It turns out from what I can tell that this is part of a disciplined approach they’ve been taking…a whole lot of testing and contact tracing *and* treatments allowed. In primitive (sarcasm) countries like that, which have only a ~5% vax rate largely (I think) because they didn’t or couldn’t make a deal with Pfizer, they had their primitive medical boards take a look at treatment, with approved drugs. Here is as close as I’ve gotten so far to untainted news from over there, that is, no American or Western celebrities, of one side or the other, intruding into the story. Unless of course you consider Dr. Anshul Pareek to be too often in our mass media telling us what to think:
      https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/
      (P.S. Damn you Pareek!)

    • #446004
      djean111
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      Never fear – if ivermectin is accepted to work here, the feds will be controlling the distribution.  Early treatment of Covid fucks up those scary numbers.  Florida’s allocation of Regeneron and remdesivir have been drastically cut when the feds took over distribution.  The feds want vaccines, and ONLY vaccines, to be used.  IMO and all that.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #446304
        Stockholmer
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        • #446319
          djean111
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          This is not a board for little authoritarians; they need to create their own board if they don’t want  some things “allowed”.  So, stagger on!

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

          • #446321
            Satan
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            Is the braindead cult of DoreKnobs who accept every piece of bullshit out of his ignorant mouth without question.

            I don’t know who is paying that idiot, but they seem to be getting their money’s worth, considering the number of people on this board who have completely abandoned the ability of critical thinking.

            "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

          • #453662
            Stockholmer
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            • #453672
              djean111
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              You never fail to meet expectations, thanks!  Bwahahaha!

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #446005
      eridani
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      A dose appropriate for a 1000 pound horse is not appropriate for a 150 lb human.

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      • #446022
        djean111
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        and did you know that many drugs have what they call “off-label” applications?  Someone actually won a Nobel Prize for demonstrating ivermectin’s use in treating humans.  More fitting than giving a Nobel Prize for peace to a warmonger!

        https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-nobel-ivermectin/fact-check-2015-nobel-prize-for-ivermectin-intended-for-treatment-of-parasitic-infections-doesnt-prove-its-efficacy-on-covid-19-idUSL1N2QB2XA

        The text in the image reads: “IVERMECTIN. If you just got finessed into calling the medicine that won the 2015 Nobel Prize for its role in treating human disease ‘horse de-wormer’, then you need to sit the next couple of plays out.”

        The description in one post reads: “Ivermectin has been given to humans 3.7 billion times in the past 30 years. It’s totally safe and has been called a “miracle drug.” Its creators won a Nobel Prize in Medicine for inventing it, and the WHO puts it on a list of ‘must have drugs’ for any country.”

        One half of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura for “for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites,” according to the Nobel Prize website here .

        Marginalizing all ivermectin by calling it “horse paste” seems like the same old carrying water for the current administration, to me.  I just see that as “folks who have not bothered doing their actual research”, snicker, and move on.  And yes, some people have tried to use “horse paste” – not surprising when the official stance of our current government is “vaccine or die”, with early treatment not only not recommended, but actively discouraged.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #446023
        Scott Crowder
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        A horse tranquilizer is not appropriate for a human being. An elephant gun is not appropriate for shooting pigeons.
        Lots of things are not appropriate for unintended use.
        Ivermectin is intended for use on humans and like tranquilizers, comes in human doses.
        Your statement seems to be irrelevant nonsense.
        Care to clarify or are you stuck on an MSM propaganda narrative?

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      • #446067
        lownslow
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        If you have covid, a little before you go on the ventilator, you get remidysivere. Its commonly given to felines, pennicylin is commonly given to cows, god how do they ever figure the dosage !?

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    • #446018
      MackMarkstein
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      Although I do indeed consider Dr. Pareek not a household name, in the sense of hordes of people thinking he has a dog (or a horse) in this race: He does have a Twitter account I guess. I don’t, but can go to Twitter on the web. From a posting by the good Dr.:

      Adults above 15 yrs
      First day 12 mg
      7th day 12 mg 15 th day 12 mg
      Evry 15 th day 12 mg
      Children
      6 mg same schedule
      Not to be given to pregnant/ lactating/and not to 5yrs child

    • #446080
      MackMarkstein
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      “The active caseload in the country’s most populous state has been reduced to 187 from a high of 3,10,783 in April, pushing the recovery rate up to 98.7 per cent, the state government said in a release.” (I know, their numbering system is not ours, maybe it is if you remove one comma). from https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news
      I read the figure of something like 5.8% vaccinated rate, somewhere else. I don’t think these local (un-Pfizerized, un-CNNized) doctors have read or heard as much about the risks of the vaxes as I have…I say that because the more vocal of the Uttar Pradesh docs are welcoming and encouraging the increasing availability of vax there. But there seems to be freedom of speech still in existence in those remote locales, can’t stress that enough. In the pre-vax days, stretching to I think a few weeks ago, it was as I say a pretty disciplined, or dare I say multi-pronged, program to do all these non-vax things that made the kind of difference our Gummit claims to wish for: “The key parts of UP government’s plan to tackle Covid-19 included contact tracing, early detection, isolation and free and timely provision of medicine kits and treatment to the rural populace.”

    • #446274
      The Red Menace
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      Ivermectin is a compound which binds to the chloride channels of various invertebrates’ nervous systems, causing paralysis and death in those organisms.  It doesn’t do this in most vertebrates (fish and turtles being noted exceptions, I presume because turtles are fucking weird, biologically) but of course that’s dosage-based.

      it is, in layman’s terms, a pesticide that is more or less safe to apply internally to humans and livestock at recommended dosages. the next chemical over in its group is a pretty common ant poison.

      Now, here’s the problem. Covid-19 is a virus. It does not have a nervous system, much less chloride channels. It’s not even alive. It’s certainly not an invertebrate. In fact it’s probably somewhat smaller than the ivermectin molecule. There is really no conceivable way that this stuff is useful against covid-19.

      It might be handy if you caught a pinworm infestation while your immune system was busy with the virus or something. In such a case I’d suggest actually getting a prescription for it, instead of hoping that a tube of calcium sulfate fixed with petroleum jelly and loaded with a dosage meant for a 1200-pound perissodactyl that can digest cellulose will do the trick.

      • #446299
        Satan
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        Well, maybe this stuff is useful after all……

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #446305
          alcina
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          OMG. They look like they’re watching the Hunger Games and just realized they bet on the wrong player.

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        • #446309
          The Red Menace
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          I dunno about jellyfish; cnidarians are also fucking weird!

          Oh wait, you meant… Man why do people keep shit-talking lower life forms by comparing them to politicians? A turtle has never hurt anyone that didn’t stick a toe into its mouth, why yall gotta be like that.

      • #447129
        eridani
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        –is supposed to work against an effing VIRUS!?

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        • #447130
          MackMarkstein
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          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

          Molecular level theories.   Why it works may possibly follow long after observations that it works.  I have no first-hand reason for cheerleading.  Am after the objective truth and a lot of what’s reported from objective sources is favorable for IVM helping.  Nobody (that I’ve seen) has said it’s a singular cure or preventative…It seems to always be used in combination with other things to try to address multiple phases or symptoms.  At least when used for treatment.  As prophylactic, preventative, I’ve also seen nothing that says, Take this IVM and ignore everything else you do or put into your body, and you’ll never get Covid.

          • #456101
            The Red Menace
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            “There is supporting evidence” is not the whiz-bang case-closed “this is really for real!” statement it might seem. What it means is exactly – and only – what it says: that there is some supporting evidence.

            That evidence can literally just be someone claiming it’s true; anecdotal evidence is evidence after all. it can be a 0.0005% nudge in one direction or another; it might be an error or due to some unaccounted random factor, but it’s there, that’s evidence. Basically it’s an acknowledgement that a stated claim has a non-zero amount of evidence behind it, without any statement on the quality or veracity of the evidence. It cannot be taken as “proven true” without a lot of clinical trials to prove it true.

            is it possible that ivermectin has an impact on inflammation? I honestly don’t know. I think it’d be a weird thing for the chemical to do given how it works, but hey, I’m no expert. But it you want my opinion?

            This evidence was gained in India. India, rather unfortunately, still has a pretty sizable issue with parasitic worms – the very thing ivermectin is designed to work on. It’s entirely possible that what ivermectin is doing is relieving the inflammation caused by undiagnosed parasitic worms or nematodes (intramuscular parasitic nematodes are particularly hard to diagnose) that was in turn aggravated by the body’s response to covid. Basically ivermectin was doing what it’s supposed to do – kill parasites – which helped lessen that factor complicating some covid cases.

            But that’s just a layman making a guess.

      • #447429
        Scott Crowder
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        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32895293/

        The inflammation caused by our own antivirus going into overdrive.

        "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
        “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
        "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

    • #446327
      Babel 17
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      https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/glenmark-pharma-expects-to-launch-its-anti-covid-19-nasal-spray-in-india-this-year.html

      Indian pharmaceutical company Glenmark Limited has signed an agreement with Canadian biotech firm SaNOtize Research and Development Corp to commercialize its nasal spray for COVID-19 treatment in India and other Asian countries.

      As part of the exclusive long term strategic partnership, Glenmark and SaNOtize will manufacture, market, and distribute its Nitric Oxide Nasal Spray (NONS) in India, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Nepal, Brunei, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Timor Leste, and Vietnam, according to a statement by the company.

      Glenmark expects to launch the nasal spray this year under the brand name ‘FabiSpray’ in India. ”The Phase III clinical trial for NONS is expected to be completed, followed by commercial launch under the brand name FabiSpray in India, by the fourth quarter of the calendar year 2021,” the company said in a filing.

      It is available in the form of a simple nasal spray, and it is designed to kill the coronavirus in the upper airways, preventing it from incubating and spreading to the lungs. It is based on nitric oxide (NO) and has a direct effect on the COVID-19 virus.

      In March 2021, SaNOtize’s clinical trials showed NONS was a safe and effective antiviral treatment to prevent the transmission of COVID‐19, shorten its course, and reduce the severity of symptoms. In the first 24 hours, NONS reduced the average viral load by around 95%, and then by more than 99% within 72 hours. It has been tested in healthy volunteers and patients as part of UK and Canada clinical trials, the company added.

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      • #446330
        Babel 17
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        I take Agmatine Sulfate (I buy it as a bulk powder) five days a week, I wonder if it helped, hypothetically, get me through any COVID-19 infections.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agmatine

        I also have been taking zinc, Vitamins C & D, and other good stuff, for a long time. My uninformed guess is that there can be a thin line between being infected and just uncomfortable for a few days, and the virus gaining a major foothold in the body, overwhelming the immune system, and then causing serious respiratory problems, along with other serious symptoms. I’m vaccinated, but I still do what I can to ward off getting seriously infected.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agmatine

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      • #446333
        Satan
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        Nitric oxide is a vasodiolator, so anything that improves blood circulation would obviously come in handy against a virus known to produce clotting. It also boosts the immune system, which is always a good thing. You can easily get nitric oxide into your body by eating beets or leafy vegetables. And if you don’t like the taste of beets, you can always get beet root powder in capsule form from any reputable supplement store.

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        • #446420
          Babel 17
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          I bought that too, in bulk. It’s really tasty in smoothies, though I guess for those new to that it could have a laxative effect. The old timey naturalists would say it was an important addition to ones juicing routine, but it was powerful, so go easy with it at first.

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    • #446437
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      I posted once a URL to a biophysical article, way different than the level of Jimmy Dore (who I still watch/listen to).

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

      Nothing against Jimmy (though I don’t find his name among the contributors here! And note that Jimmy’s latest installment I saw has a doctor who’s enthused about many Covid19 treatment possibilities but says “Ivermectin;  maybe.”)

      The above article appeared to be legit and by medical researchers.  It’s a review so sometimes those are bashed by those who will bash, in case anything in *any* of the studies reviewed is found to be questionable.

      Why would medical researchers care about IVM?  Well, pandemic.  They tried all sorts of things, anti-HIV, anti-blood clot, etc. and *some seemed to work*.  For various phases of the awful disease.  There are claims that IVM has been part of very sweeping reductions in C19 cases in Peru and India.  Why Peru and India?  Probly because they were denied much of that precious vax; we know the First World hoarded it.

      Anyway the theory relates to IVM attaching to ACE receptors of those worms and baddies, causing no more protection at their outer skin.  And the theory of why that would be any good against a virus… the IVM would bind to a person’s cells which would otherwise be targeted by the virus, similar ACE receptors involved,  similar to those on parasites,  the biophysicists say.

      Sometimes theory greatly lags clinical results and observations of things actually working.

    • #453677
      Mick063
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      Good Lord.

      It appears that this site is a magnet for FOX inspired lunacy.

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    • #453693
      HassleCat
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      They reported 117 new cases during the past week.

    • #453699
      MackMarkstein
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      Since. last I heard, hooray!  The vaccines are finally available en masse in India and states are encouraging that “miracle preventative” in addition to the safe drugs like IVM that they had before–Some possibilities:

      1.  People have stopped taking much of the pill culture since hooray!  the vaccines are here   or
      2.  There is a heightened rate of positive PCR tests and/or hospitalizations due to the vaxes.  My view is that the vaxes may help prevent bad Covid symptoms in some people but may produce symptoms (including circulatory, nerve, breathing) in some people.
    • #453710
      MackMarkstein
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      Not a lot of identifying features like which newspaper this came from but:

      https://twitter.com/UPGovt/status/1455415798101544960/photo/1

      Seems from Nov. 2:  106 current Covid cases in all of UP (Uttar Pradesh)  which is a staggeringly low percentage of the population.   The vaccination rate is rising across India but all I know about UP vax rate right now is what it says in this article:  9.81 crore first doses.  Yeah, if you don’t speak “crore” you’re not alone but I’ll finally find out what power of 10 that is.

      In that Twitter thread, I was looking at the article about “slot booking no more mandatory in UP.”  Slot booking=   obviously what we call in our First World Country, where we speak the Queen’s English:  making an appointment.

      Edited to add:  One crore seems to be what we here call 10 million.   Or what Goldman Sachs calls an annual salary bonus.

       

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