Tucker Carlson’s SHOCKING China Comments Leaves Imperialists SPEECHLESS
September 11, 2021 at 2:00 AM - Views: 133 #444964salemcourtParticipant
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September 11, 2021 at 4:58 AM #444973YanathParticipant
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Any counter to imperialist propaganda is welcome, I guess.
But beware, capitalists are sneaky devils.
September 11, 2021 at 6:28 AM #444974
Chief among them is that China makes laws that benefit their country. That would be so nice if it happened here, but we get laws that help the rich and corporations, and of course, the politicians that make said laws. This place is fucked.
September 12, 2021 at 4:44 PM #445161ArtfromArkParticipant
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China is cracking down on democratic protests in Hong Kong despite the conditions set forth in the 1997 handover, and mowed down thousands of protestors for democratic reforms in 1989. China is currently threatening to take democratic Taiwan by force, and has cracked down on minorities in Inner Mongolia and other parts of the country. China is also bullying nearly all of its neighbors, including the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, and India. China is in no way, shape or form a role model.
“There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)
September 12, 2021 at 5:38 PM #445169
Yeah, China doesn’t like dissent and cracks down on it. However, they have a lot of policies that are designed to do a lot of good for their country. To ignore those because their other actions are contrary to our good, wholesome, American beliefs is kind of stupid. China is lifting a lot of people out of poverty. We should study how they’re doing that, but of course that would only happen if we cared to lift people out of poverty.
September 12, 2021 at 7:49 PM #445178
That is pretty much US propaganda with UK thrown in Taiwan is a part of China and the US is itching to put a base back on it. Taiwan needs China and China needs Taiwan, not nearly as much as it did when I lived their. Xinjiang is totally US propaganda the largest source is a far right Christian nut job who has never been to China. The other big source worked for the cia at Guantanamo. The UN the state dept plus 150 countries called this BS. Why do you believe any crap that comes out of the US anymore. Every single country you mentioned is part of either Belt and Road or China’s big trade group. China is doing more for all these countries then the US has ever done. The US just bombs them in the name of Democracy.
September 12, 2021 at 3:50 AM #445106snotParticipant
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If you want power, you can’t keep just looting your power base, as US elites have. You have to strengthen it. And the strongest power base involves more than one kind of power – not just destructive power.
And lately I’ve come to believe that Tucker may be an independent thinker – for which I’m grateful, even if I don’t agree with all his conclusions.
Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.
September 12, 2021 at 5:36 PM #445168
September 12, 2021 at 4:02 PM #445151Ohio BarbarianModerator
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Look at the three things the Chinese government is doing here. They’re banning hedge funds from buying up real property and turning the real estate market into a casino with the waste product of at least tens of thousands of homeless people on the American West Coast alone. The Chinese Communist leaders are doing an actual socialist thing: declaring that housing is a right for all of its people and it is the duty of the government to make that right and dream a reality in the interests of promoting national harmony.
It’s also a very conservative thing to do, in the sense that it conserves and preserves the Chinese people’s right to live their lives in a healthy, prosperous environment whenever possible. Which, as it turns out, is most of the damned time in their country. They’ve been waging a real war on poverty for generations now, and sometimes a few wealthy capitalist interests simply must be sacrificed for the greater good. That’s an ancient conservative political perspective, but it is perhaps the most pragmatic conservative governing principle there is.
Since it’s also realistic and therefore common sense, it’s no surprise that socialism seeks to accomplish the same goal for humanity. Government for the greater good should never be a radical concept.
The second one was that the Chinese government has publicly condemned celebrity worship, because that’s just not healthy for a society, another common sense issue on which socialists and historically traditional conservatives can agree.
The third, limiting underage access to online live interactive video games, is beyond my experience so I shan’t comment on it. Apparently, most Chinese think it’s addictive and a Bad Thing, so any government that wants to be popular can easily go along with that sentiment and look good to the home folks. Socialist governments do things like that, too. Er, China’s not socialist. They’re a kind of aristocratic oligarchy, which is called the Chinese Communist Party, which is a distinct social ruling class.
They know they can prolong their rule by keeping the large majority of their people reasonably happy. And they’re happier when they have more choices. This is simple political and philosophical stuff; the fact that Americans would find anything Tucker Carlson said here weird or not conservative just goes to show how crazily ignorant Americans have become.
Amazing what 40 years of destroying the art of teaching critical thinking skills can do.
It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs
You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton
September 12, 2021 at 4:28 PM #445156
Snot. Glenn and Dore get so much shit for being on his show, it is really pretty funny to watch the Ds explode over this. I was at a friends house for the 2nd election of Obama she was an old conservative that was slowly being converted to the left. We watched the returns on fox and Tucker caught something that night on air I am sorry to say I have forgotten what it was, but from that point on I kept my eye on him. He says some stuff that makes me roll my eyes but he is also willing to point out BS and have our people on his show. Madcow just makes me want to scream. That maybe because during air america I would sometimes listen to her and like obama she is nothing but a mouth piece for the oligarch, my daughter tells me I take it to personally lol
September 12, 2021 at 4:49 PM #445162
Ohio you have nailed it with China! I was in Beijing just as it was opening up, no cars except party and security. Imagine those huge roads with no cars just thousands of bikes. I was on a climbing expedition which took me through Urumqi and Kashgar, very poor Muslim regions, on our way into the peak MT Konger we met tribal people nomads who had never seen white people! We did some trading for jewelry and yogurt for our plastic water bottles, easier for them to carry water. Any way 12 years later I came back with my kids, as we lived in Taiwan. A fare amount of cars, Kentucky fried Chicken was a big deal lots and lots of street venders and shops open to tourists. Not to mention real hotels. 10 years later it was insane huge infrastructure development massive spreading of wealth huge tourist industry, most people could speak some English. That was in 2008 . My daughter lived in Shanghai saw the Olympic village traveled on one of the 1st highspeed rails, that now go everywhere including Urumqi where I flew on my first trip in a plane with a few seats and a lot of chickens. Where we had to circle the dirt runway till they got the camel off the runway! All this in 40 years! While watching my country literally go in the opposite direction. Most Americans have no clue how China functions politically how it is truly a bottom up not top down. Xi got his start at the very bottom of his community organization
September 12, 2021 at 7:34 PM #445174soryangParticipant
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I watched Daniel Dumbrill and Brian Berletic’s youtube broadcast on China yesterday. I’ve been following Brian for years. I didn’t post it because it was two hours long. It was great. They covered the alleged Xingjiang “genocide” and Hong Kong “democracy movement” very well. Daniell compared the violent Hong Kong demonstrations to the Tiananmen Square episode in 1989. I lived in South Korea in 1989. When I heard the reports from the US media, I suspected it was bs then.
Daniel Dumbrill and Cyrus Janssen do broadcasts on China regularly, Brian covers US sponsored fake democratic uprisings in other Asian countries. Daniel and Cyrus lived in China for over ten years and both are fluent. Brian lives in Thailand. The stuff about suppression of minorities in China is bs. These people deconstruct the US/UK/Japan/AU propaganda about China regularly. Sometimes they have other guests who have lived in China for years, like them. I’ve probably watched a dozen or more presentations by westerners who live in China and have been to Xingjiang, and Tibet, and they all say the stories about genocide and cultural suppression are false. I’ve been watching South Korean travelogues and documentaries about China for six years by South Korean Ph.D.’s in Chinese studies and it is clear that the way China is portrayed in the west, is biased to the point they just can’t tell the truth. The chief factor is imperial guilt and denial concerning their own histories of Chinese exploitation, (this includes Japan) and an unreasoning racist fear of the “yellow peril,” in the west. The pentagon and the war industry are simply exploiting this fear using propaganda to advance their own material interests.
September 12, 2021 at 8:15 PM #445191
Yes Soryang I follow him as well and seem to have a lot of Chinese tweets. LOL. My experience in Asia was life changing and my children are now international travelers, one of us actually mastered Chinese, NOT ME. We all wonder why we stay in the US? I guess jobs homes and family. The Us government is totally based on lies it is really stunning. I had a pretty good chuckle over my sister, this is the one who worked for Biden for 20 years hard coreDNCer. She would always tell me I was crazy and way out there, until her daughter made her read The Jakarta Method. Now she is mad! LOL. I realized how horrid our government was, when I lived in Asia, I didn’t want to leave. You go to all these countries that the US has destroyed not once but several times, you meet the people and it just makes you feel this deep shame. I want to go to Russia because I have been taught to hate Russia and I think Putin is one of a handful of adults on the world stage. My great great grandfather went to Russia to help with the Famine several of his mates stayed they all enjoyed their time.
We all grew up with the various propagandas pushed by the US from the Gulf of Tonkin, all of those shoes that Amelda Marcos had, Indonesia china NK. Burkas babies thrown out of incubators WMDs They have some nut job now telling people that NK have to push their trains and eat rats. The worst thing is americans eat it up. The best thing in the world is Belt and Road it will free Asia from US terrorism!
September 12, 2021 at 9:55 PM #445202soryangParticipant
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@earthartist Thanks so much for your comments.
I lived in South Korea for almost three years. It renewed my skepticism about US portrayals of foreign countries which began during the Vietnam era. I think the thing that affected me the most was how impervious the US officials were to how the people of the country they were occupying felt about their own affairs and the US presence. One officer told me, when I first arrived, “you have to understand, the people here do everything in a screwed up way, and they think that everything that went wrong with their country is our fault.” Guess what, the local citizens were mostly right. I began studying the language but had great difficulty even though some family members were Korean or Korean Americans. I was lucky to travel widely in South Korea, my Korean aide Mr. Shin spoke English, Japanese and Korean. (so highly educated I think being in Asia made me feel like a dumbass, something I wanted to rectify). Once, I even saw Kim Yong-sam, the future president at some government reception.
They say life is what happens when you were planning something else. I was forced by exigencies and personal considerations (I wanted my daughter to learn to speak English) to leave Korea even though I had a permanent job offer there. When I retired many years later, I renewed my interest in Korean culture, history, politics, etc. My language ability is much better as a result, but not quite fluent. Korean culture is heavily influenced by Chinese culture. So I feel I have some grasp of it. My mother in law lived with us for 17 years, she was forced to learn Japanese during the colonial occupation. I learned a a fair amount of Korean language from her. What changed my understanding of Asia ultimately was being able to watch foreign broadcasts on the internet.
I would go back to South Korea permanently if I wasn’t so old. It would be difficult to arrange my affairs to go back permanently. Maybe I will get a chance to travel there one more time, after they get rid of the quarantine period. If my wife decides to go back on an indefinite basis, I will go with her.
In terms of the relationship of western media to Korean affairs, I’ve followed the South Korean news broadcasts and commentary almost every day for several years, including VOA. Then I read the reports in English language media. I’ve come to the conclusion, that Korean affairs, particularly those concerning South Korea are distorted into an almost unrecognizable facsimile of what is really true in Korean politics and history.
One of the recent latest falsehoods is South Koreans “dislike Chinese” more than any other ethnic group. Others are China is stealing or claiming Korean iconic cultural symbols like their traditional dress or kimchi. These are bs cultural wars drummed up by the west to instill prejudice against Chinese. The posts on Asian subjects on quora consist largely of this bullshit. Historically, Koreans, and South Korea in particular have immense respect for Chinese culture. 70 percent of their language is from Chinese roots. Naturally, Koreans are wary of their huge neighbor; that has been the case for millennia. To say they dislike the Chinese is a fabrication imo. I don’t care what “the polls” say. When I tell Korean-Americans I know, that Koreans dislike the Chinese more than Japanese, they just say “bs.” North Koreans are more concerned about Chinese influence, and don’t use Chinese characters. There is a class distinction about hanja that they probably don’t like as well. Studying Chinese characters historically was only for the elites.
Sometimes it seems Voice of America and the NY Times spend more time attacking the democratically elected government in South Korea than North Korea. The role of South Korea ostensibly is just to do everything the US commands, “in lockstep.”
I’ve probably read five or more tomes on Chinese history and culture over the last five years. Every once in a while I go on a binge and try to learn more traditional Chinese characters. (I never got past 500). Once when I was over there, I visited Taiwan and learned a few things. It was still a dictatorship then. South Korea changed from a dictatorship to a conservative republic when I was there. My son and I sometimes reminisce about running from the tear gas fired at the student demonstrators in Hannam dong, in Seoul.
I check Tim Shorrock on twitter for links into current events, history or cultural stories from other sources on Korea and Japan.
September 12, 2021 at 10:26 PM #445203
How interesting and good for you working on the language keeps the mind strong. We were in Taiwan for their 1st free election it was crazy! Bands in the backs of trucks constantly driving by school. I would have to stop class till they passed. Americans had been warned about Chinese being ready to attack at any moment, I was quickly told this was total bs. It was in Taiwan where I learned the vast majority of Xpats never move out of their white circles. They belong to the america club do trips with the local expat groups most have never really explored Taiwan . Teachers on the other hand live for exploration so I did a lot of really cool stuff with them. We also had an agreement that every vacation we would go travel and we did! When my kids came back to their school in the US they would talk about countries their teachers had never heard of! I had 135 countries that moved through my class room!
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