Tulsi Gabbard: “The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse trial clearly didn’t do due diligence before making the decision to prosecute.”

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    • #454588
      jbnw
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      A very strong statement from Tulsi Gabbard today:

      The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse trial clearly didn’t do due diligence before making the decision to prosecute. This tragedy never would have happened if the government carried out its responsibilities to protect the safety, lives and property of innocent people.

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      Babel 17
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      The other theory is that he was hoping to annoy the judge into declaring a mistrial. Though by that, people are referring to the kind we see on TV dramas. There’s another kind where the judge makes the prosecutor wear a metaphorical dunce cap, and calls the kind of a mistrial which includes a prohibition on going to trial again on the same charges.

      If this were an Artificial Intelligence prosecutor (Did The Jetsons have those?), one with zero fracks about its career, it might have went straight to prosecuting just for the unlawful possession of the rifle, maybe reckless endangerment as well, and also putting in effort to process the charge about violating curfew.

      That would outrage those who wanted justice for the lives taken, but that’s what precedent dictates. If you can’t reasonably expect a guilty verdict, you don’t make the charge.

      The prosecutor seems to want to be able to walk away from this while being well liked. He might have gotten very nervous as he went to trial without a good case, and then he went to “Plan B”, which would be akin to knocking over the chessboard, figuring whatever penalty there was to that would be better than the humiliating defeat of a jury delivering a verdict of not guilty on all (serious) charges within just a day or two.

      He probably sensed that he’d get accused of being a closet white supremacist, one who threw the fight.

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      Wow Tulsi. No, none of these two men would have been killed if that right wing racist pos wouldn’t have armed himself with an AR-15,  left one state to go to another state to seek out leftish demonstrators to shoot to death. Blaming ineffective  government for this individual’s actions sure sounds like right wing talking points to me. Tulsi has definitely taken a right turn from a few years ago.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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        I am surprised as few people were killed due to the Portland protests and election chaos as there were.

        Portland now has a high level of shootings, a significant drop in the police force, and a downtown that people, and conventions, avoid.

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          My point isn’t the locals worried about their property, etc., it is this out of towner right wing gun nut who had no business being there in the first place. If this was some local resident protecting his home or something I could see the craziness of the moment, but this kid was looking for trouble, went out of his way to find it, and did. And two men are dead because of it. That’s the aspect I’m looking at it from anyway, not that the government failed to protect the lives and property of its citizens, which could be said about almost any crime in America. Maybe Tulsi dosen’t realize this wasn’t some local defending his home but an actual outside agitators that the right always harps on when going after leftist protesters.

          All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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          My point isn’t the locals worried about their property, etc., it is this out of towner right wing gun nut who had no business being there in the first place. If this was some local resident protecting his home or something I could see the craziness of the moment, but this kid was looking for trouble, went out of his way to find it, and did. And two men are dead because of it. That’s the aspect I’m looking at it from anyway, not that the government failed to protect the lives and property of its citizens, which could be said about almost any crime in America. Maybe Tulsi doesn’t realize this wasn’t some scared local defending his home but an actual outside agitator, the kind of person that the right always harps on when going after leftist protesters.

          All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

          • #454607
            jbnw
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            And I can say the same thing for Portland. In the early days of the protests, it was Portland locals, and it was peaceful. I think the chaos began when people from out of town, left and right, came in to cause problems. And I saw no shortage of it.

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            A Simple Game
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            but all is forgiven because what you said was well worth repeating.

          • #457167
            Voltairine
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            His father’s home was there, his mothers home couple miles away, lot’s of extended famili living there, his job was there. Doesn’t mean that his decision to try to protect his community the way he did was the right call, but that’s what happened.

            You’ve been consuming way too much post truth hate speech from far right media.

            Aloha!

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        Utopian Leftist
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        @donaldtuohy

        I was starting to doubt my own sanity there for a minute. But you’re right, it’s Tulsi who is losing it.

        When someone with an automatic rifle shoots someone unarmed, I don’t understand how that is not murder in the first degree.

        There used to be a saying, “Use a gun, go to jail.” When the 2nd Amendment was written, a ‘gun’ was a musket.

        “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
        "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

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      Electrolyte Orchestra
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      Is she approving of his vigilante-ism?

      Was the government doing these things when one of their agents gunned down Jacob Blake?

      Not only did they not protect his life, they took it. That is what kicked this whole thing off.

      Sadly, the ineptitude of the prosecution reminds me of the Zimmerman trial. They didn’t want to try the cases but felt they had to put on a show to make it look like they tried.

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      David the Gnome
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      This has nothing to do with self defense or defending freedom or other such reasoning.  The dude got a gun and decided to shoot and kill people who were ideologically opposed to his own mad views.  Yet many on the right have rallied behind this dipshit.

      It is murder, quite simply.  The little dude should be in prison for many, many years.

      Yet it seems to me… that these people are attempting to justify murder.  For political reasons, ideological reasons, all while claiming it is about safety, crime, etc.

      Total fucking bull shit.  I used to like Tulsi.

      • #455252
        jbnw
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        This doesn’t mean she supports any element of this situation, just that she is smart enough to recognize the legal situation and brave enough to say it early.

    • #455243
      retired liberal
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      She gave him the weapon, drove him there, across state lines, picked him up afterwards and drove back him home in another state. His mother is an accomplices, an accessory before, during and after the crime.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
      Don't forget that the S in IoT stands for Security.

      • #457170
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        You’ve been consuming way too much post-truth hate mongering by far right media.

        Aloha!

      • #457188
        retired liberal
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        Then it dropped off the radar. Then the attorneys got a hold of it and suddenly everything changed.
        But whatever, Kyle should never have been there in the first place. He went there, with a weapon he legally should not have, looking for trouble  and found it and two people are now dead because of him.

        We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
        The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
        Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
        Don't forget that the S in IoT stands for Security.

        • #457193
          jbnw
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          Legally the gun charge was dropped.

          Personally, I would be happy to remove that part of the 2nd Amendment from the Constitution.

          If we made it as hard to get a gun in the US as it is in the rest of the civilized world we would see a massive drop in violent deaths.

          But I won’t hold my breath.

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      Tulsi is right. Rittenhouse was tried and convicted by the media and democratic party before the trial began. Thankfully we still have juries that examine the evidence.

    • #457196
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      I can come up with a scenario for Greenwald….. he’s trapped in Brazil with his husband and probably is being pressured to spew bullshit by the fascist government there. Don’t know what the fuck motivates Tulsi or Dore. But I no longer believe a word from any of them.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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          Satan
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          There’s some major gaslighting bullshit taking place among a certain hysterical minority on this board, spewing right wing horseshit rhetoric on everything from MAGAtt “medical” advice to embracing racist mass murderers as some sort of fucking heroes….

          But I’m the one who needs “help”.

          "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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            Voltairine
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            the source of the toxic poison you pollute yourself and your surroundings is ultra right wing media – msnbc, cnn etc. etc. are post truth ultra right wing hate and fear mongers.

            The purpose of ultra right wing media (whether it supports R ultra right wing party of D ultra right wing party) is to turn working class people against each other, so that they don’t unite against the ruling class psychopaths, so that caring classes don’t unite in mutual care.

            Giving into and getting addicted to the partisan hatred that your ultra right wing media feeds you makes you the class enemy, a tool of ruling class oppression. It’s a bad place to be, you can heal and get out of there and rejoin the caring classes again. We all can get fooled and make mistakes.

            Aloha!

    • #457214
      Yanath
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      I forgot about this thread. You can clearly see the establishment media’s egregious misinformation reflected in the posts here. One or two dingbats are determined to doubledown on the bullshit, even now. The numbskulls around here need to read Matt Taibi’s commentary on this sordid issue.

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