Tulsi Gabbard wants to ban ballot harvesting.

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    • #363679
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      Probably a good idea to eliminate it because it introduces a step in the process where completed allots are in the hands of third parties. Gabbard seems to think the process itself amounts to fraud or abuse of the system, and that’s a difficult assertion to support.


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      I’m surprised Tulsi Gabbard fell for it but not really. Between this & apparently friends with Dan Crenshaw who is awful she is like Joe Rogan to me. A hill not worth dying on.

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    • #363691
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The fact that Tulsi Gabbard does seriously diminishes her credibility in my eyes. As for ballot harvesting, meh, all it is is someone transporting ballots from voters to be counted somewhere. That’s nothing compared to what the Democratic Party did last March when it committed blatant election fraud. If Gabbard wants to get her panties in a twist, why doesn’t she talk about that?


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    • #363692
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      no clue what the O Keefe angle is, but what I do know is that ballot harvesting is un democratic. A friend did ballot harvesting years ago. With modern analytics they know with pretty high certainty where the votes will come from for “their candidate”. So they would hit very aggressively the nursing and care homes that they knew would benefit them. This was a paid position, so more well funded candidates were essentially buying votes.

      And that is assuming the ballot harvester is honest. Now add in that the harvester could be a crook and starts making sure ballots that go against “their candidate” are ruined on a technicality. So the little old lady at the nursing home that dared vote for Sanders in the primary has her ballot harvested and the harvester notices that and chooses to make sure there is an obvious flaw in the ballot so that it gets thrown out.


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        Having someone collect and return the ballots of people who may not be able to vote otherwise is undemocratic because it can be done along partisan lines? And this is different from any other gotv strategies (registering dem/rep voters, etc.) because…?

        Campaigns have paid staff who do stuff. The idea that because someone is being paid to collect ballots means that it is buying votes makes no sense in any way. So, republicans can go collect ballots at the gun range or the prayer group and democrats can target a feminist book club or an antifa meeting (I kid), but so what? Sure, I’d rather we had a more streamlined process where it is easy for everyone to vote regardless of their situation, but it is what it is for now.

        The ballots are sealed, so this hypothetical about the nefarious ballot collector going through all the ballots and destroying the ones they don’t like is pure fantasy. Sure, it could happen, and, yes, shenanigans happens in elections, but the same risk would apply to anyone handling the ballots. Someone is going to handle it at some point. This is no more open to abuse than anything else.

        This whole thing is a silly “controversy.” It’s all just part of the Trump admin’s opposition to anything other than in person voting because he thinks it benefits him. No idea what Tulsi’s angle is here, and I don’t much care.


    • #363705
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      you’re conflating 2 different things.

      that’s why use of the term ‘ballot harvesting’ v. the original ‘ballot collection’ is so insidious

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      Jim Lane
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      The Republicans, of course, are perfectly OK with that. Here’s a recent AP story about the issue (link).

      Many people on reservations live some distance from a post office and can’t readily get there, especially with tribal senior services vans having discontinued operation because of the pandemic.

      “The distance has been a barrier for our people to vote,” tribal council member Janet Davis said outside the small, wood-shingle post office in the town of Nixon, not far from the turquoise lake that gives the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe its name. “We have elders that might not be able to move around much, those that might be afraid of the pandemic, people who are disabled and people that don’t have transportation.”

      To make voting easier, a new Nevada law allows residents to fill out their ballots and let someone else return them on their behalf — a neighbor, tribal official or political volunteer. To Davis and other tribal officials, it’s not unlike the way people on far-flung reservations help each other run errands.

      Tribes see ballot collection as a critical way to boost historically low Native American turnout. They are targeting bans on the practice in several states, including Arizona and Montana, as more states move to mail-in voting during the pandemic. It’s become a flashpoint in a rancorous election year, with President Donald Trump claiming without evidence that it will lead to fraud.

      The Republicans, unsurprisingly, went to court to challenge the Nevada law, but their case was thrown out.

    • #363725
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @jimlane I don’t care how ballots get to where they need to get to in order to be counted, so long as they get there. I’ll take my chances with ballot collection over electronic voting machines and scanners any day.

      I don’t understand why Gabbard is jumping on this particular bandwagon. It makes no sense to me.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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