Tulsi May Get the Last Laugh…
December 21, 2019 at 7:27 PM - Views: 221 #241502
…in the long run.
Tulsi voting ‘present’ is seen as an act of cowardice and impotent grandstanding by resiters, and impeachment enthusiasts in general. No one can read her mind, but even if she voted how she did just for the sake of making a spectacle or being contrarian, if the consequences of her vote lead to her getting blackballed further by the party and destroying her political future, and she did it anyway, then it was certainly a courageous action.
Arguably, Sanders has better policies on most issues, but she is more aggressive in this regard. There’s nothing wrong with that, and it has its place.
But there’s no guarantee that it will turn out that way for Tulsi in the end. Her vote would not have changed the results, so this was obviously a calculated move on her part. If this all ends in tragedy for the Democrats in 2020 and the party implodes, she can shrug her shoulders and say, “I told you so,” and look like the lone voice of reason in hindsight.
The Democrats are in a transitional period. It’s not yet certain what the dems will transition into exactly, especially if they succeed in stopping Sanders, but Tulsi may be betting on being an integral part in creating whatever that is. By not going along to get along, and making a point of distancing herself from Democrat orthodoxy, not just on this one issue, but the way she’s conducted herself in general over the last few years, she may be taking a deliberate high risk/high reward gamble, betting on the future rather than the present.
The neolibs have ruled since the 1980s and are circling the drain, trapped in the inertia of group think and cannibalizing themselves over identity politics. There’s a certain symbolism to the weak and feeble Biden being their current frontrunner. His campaign, bold and inspirational only in its dedication to not being so, is a microcosm of the state of the dem establishment as a whole. Why not distance yourself from this embarrassment, not just Biden, but the whole current version of the party as a whole?
Trump’s impeachment is just a cheap sugar high. Once it wears off, it will be obvious what a useless endeavor it really was. Impeachment is not holding Trump accountable in any practical way, nor will it set a precedent to prevent further corruption or abuses of power since those things are bipartisan affairs. This is all just the hounds of the resistance finally catching the bus they’ve been trained to chase.
We’re at the beginning of the end of this particular diversion, and something else will take its place. Trump’s agenda moves on the same as it did before that ‘historic day,’ and the Democrats will forget about all that resisting when it counts, just like when they voted to extend the Patriot Act, giving Trump all the powers that entails, all the while making impassioned declarations in public about him being a threat to national security. Nothing has changed.
Once the Senate acquits Trump, that’s all the average person is going to remember. Trump can then go around saying he was cleared of all wrong doing and, for perhaps the first time in his life, he won’t have to lie.
Everyone knew this was a political risk for the Democrats. They bet everything on independents and swing voters turning on Trump after the televised hearings brought the evidence to their attention. In other words, it was the same strategy as Russiagate betting it all on Mueller. If the first time you charge head first into a brick wall, just get up and do it again.
Not only was there not a mass exodus from Trump, but the very states and voters the Democrats need to win back are not showing any real longing to come back to them. The polls are neck and neck in those states, usually favoring Trump moderately. The fall of the so called ‘blue wall’ in 2016 may have been the start of a genuine political realignment, rather than the anomaly many assumed it to be.
And then what?
December 21, 2019 at 7:48 PM #241506MizzGrizzParticipant
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Tulsi did what she thought best.I would have done the same.I support Tulsi.
December 21, 2019 at 10:22 PM #241560
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December 21, 2019 at 8:11 PM #241512bazukhovParticipant
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There’s a lot of “maybe”, “could”, and “should” in the article.
Can she win the nomination?
She was grandstanding, which all politicians do, but even the author of the article admits it had no effect on the outcome.
Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites
December 21, 2019 at 9:49 PM #241554
It’s unlikely she’ll get the nomination, and I suspect she knows that. She’s young enough to play the long game.
The tl;dr of what I am saying here is if the impeachment fiasco blows up in the face of the Democrats in a major way, she will be in a good position.
She may have been grandstanding or she may have been sincere. It may also have been a combination of the two, which is what I suspect since her vote was not something out of character. But we can not read her mind.
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December 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM #241523retired liberalParticipant
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“Trump’s impeachment is just a cheap sugar high”
The best description I have read so far.
We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
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December 21, 2019 at 11:18 PM #241603doh1304Participant
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Tulsi has no future in the Democratic Party. Her only hope is if the Democrats go the way of the Whigs and so she is positioning herself to be the one to follow in Bernie’s footsteps when (if) a new party rises out of the rubble of the neolib empire.
December 22, 2019 at 1:29 AM #241641
December 21, 2019 at 11:19 PM #241605HassleCatParticipant
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Impeaching Bill Clinton did not work out well for Republicans. I’m not sure why Democrats thought it was a good idea. Doesn’t matter if it’s for a blow job or an actual crime.
December 22, 2019 at 3:10 AM #241658mrdmkParticipant
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The impeachment of Bill Clinton did not kill the Republicans either:
Year 2000 Nation Election Results
George W. Bush (R) President (Stolen)
Senate was 54 Republicans 46 Democrats, after the election 50 Republicans 50 Democrats
House was 223 Republicans 211 Democrats, after the election 221 Republicans 212 Democrats
Yes the Republicans got dinged, but that was about it. In 2002 the Republicans gained seats:
Year 2002 Nation Election Results
Senate was 50 Republicans 50 Democrats, after the election 51 Republicans 48 Democrats
House was 221 Republicans 212 Democrats, after the election 229 Republicans 205 Democrats
Of course, 6 years later the Republicans were in charge when the Nation was literately blown-up from within.
And for good measure, here are the results to the 2004 election. The Republicans once again pick-up some seats:
Year 2004 Nation Election Results
George W. Bush (R) President (Stolen)
Senate was 51 Republicans 48 Democrats, after the election 55 Republicans 44 Democrats
House was 229 Republicans 205 Democrats, after the election 232 Republicans 202 Democrats
Granted there was a whole bunch of election fraud going on with the new voting machines and other shanagans. But in truth, the Republicans never lost power until 2006.
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December 21, 2019 at 11:42 PM #241616
A “NO vote…. Tulsi would have been accused of being a Republican.
A “YES” vote….. Tulsi would be partially responsible for the impeachment fiasco and the re-election of Trump.
A “PRESENT” vote means she that saw the train wreck coming and decided not to participate in it.
December 22, 2019 at 4:17 AM #241670RufusTFireflyParticipant
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In retrospect, Tulsi may turn out to be the Barbara Lee of this botched impeachment.
Just to be clear: I fully support impeaching perhaps the most impeachable president in our nation’s history. Yet I could not have imagined what an utter cockup the Democrats would make of the whole process.
Too late. Too narrow. Too partisan.
December 22, 2019 at 6:16 AM #241677
December 22, 2019 at 8:16 AM #241684Babel 17Participant
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I guess there’s a long shot chance that Pelosi off the record concedes the possibility that she won’t send the articles to the Senate anytime soon. And then a bit later a vote for censure happens.
That would be amazeballs. Even if that vote just happened, nearly as if an orphan, that would still represent a feather in Tulsi’s cap. Bernie is on a roll and the last thing that the movement he leads is for the next debate to have “Impeachment???” as the Yooge, Gassy, Elephant in the Room.
And needles to say if a trial becomes scheduled for a week or two after the debate then that makes the Elephant a Tyrannosaurus. And if it gets scheduled two to three weeks before a debate then that means Sanders would have to break camp and return to Washington.
There’s also a long shot chance that impeachment becomes notably less popular with voters, and polling shows that the swing voters in the swing states decidedly would rather have seen either no impeachment or anything else, or at most just a censure. Bernie would stick to his implied promise to convict, and that won’t be good for how he polls in swing states.
What the heck, a light just went on. Biden and Buttigieg don’t have to vote, and after the trial they might benefit from pissed off moderate Independents deserting Bernie, Warren, and Klobuchar. And maybe this has been part of the Impeachment considerations all along. To make Biden poll better in swing states, and thus look more electable.
December 23, 2019 at 7:17 PM #242127
Your last paragraph is an interesting possibility. Since the Democrats knew impeachment was unlikely to be a big winner, it could all be about forcing Sanders to have the impeachment albatross around his neck with Warren and Klobucher being sacrificial lambs in the effort to stop Bernie. This then allows Biden and Buttigeig to adopt whatever position is politically expedient when the time comes.
Idk, though, I tend to go back and forth: sometimes seeing the dems as incompetent fools, and other times seeing them as a malignant, but highly capable force.
December 22, 2019 at 11:34 AM #241694Hobbit709Participant
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I said from the beginning that it was a dog and pony show put on by Pelosi and the DNC.
They were just posturing to give them another point for fundraising from the rubes.
The emoluments clause in the Constitution is spelled out in black and white so they went with what was basically a bunch of hearsay instead.
Of course Pelosi would never open the door on actual corruption since then the light would shine on her and her cohorts too.
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December 23, 2019 at 3:45 PM #242027xyzseParticipant
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@hobbit709 That is my take as well.
Thing is, the 2nd article of impeachment I find dangerous and can be used against any President, where it becomes an impeachable offense if they decide to stick it to Congress and not provide them with their demands on investigation and telling to bring them to court. That is dumb as hell.
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