Two C-19 Features Convincing Scientists Virus Was Man-Made – ZH

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      Two ‘Unusual’ COVID-19 Features Convincing Scientists It Was Man-Made  <– Web Link

      Two unique features of SARS-CoV-2 are convincing a growing number of scientists that it was man-made, and not the result of natural evolution, according to the Daily Telegraph. (<– Web Link)

      First, the virus binds more strongly to human ACE2 enzymes than any other species, including bats.

      Second, SARS-CoV-2 has a “furin cleavage site” missing in its closes bat-coronavirus relative, RaTG-13, which makes it significantly more infectious – a finding we reported in late February.

      According to Israeli geneticist, Dr. Ronen Shemesh, the Furin site is the most unusual finding.

      “I believe that the most important issue about the differences between ALL coronavirus types is the insertion of a Furin protease cleavage site at the Spike protein of SARS-CoV-2,” he said. “Such an insertion is very rare in evolution, the addition of such 4 Amino acids alone in the course of only 20 years is very unlikely.”

      Shamesh, who is working on a treatment for COVID-19, believes the novel coronavirus was most likely created in a lab, and did not evolve in nature.

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      Back to my original suspicion – Ft Detrick.

      Rump wanted to fuck China. And it came back to bite his ass.

      My two cents. Maybe all it’s worth…$.02. But it makes a certain sense. Rump is a fool. Could he have thought ‘no more trade wars when we take China down’? And set this whole shit-storm in motion??

      Feel free to pile on – I won’t take it personally. Well, maybe a little.

    • #321656
      NV Wino
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      I still say it escaped.

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    • #321661
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      I suspect either the USA or Israel for they are the least ethical nations.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".


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      Good find, TaT. If you think about the man made along with bill gates event 201, its pretty scary. But if usa/israel or whomever did this, they would not have informed trump, he couldnt keep his mouth shut. The number 1 rule of fight club,,,,,

    • #321697
      So Far From Heaven
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      How come we don’t find COVID-19 without these features?

      Unless you’re gonna claim the ENTIRE organism is man made, then you have to have a virus lacking the necessary insertions claimed by these guys.

      But that doesn’t exist, does it? Nope. Nada.

      Second point I’d like to question is the assumption nature doesn’t do what is being claimed to have happened. Bullshit.

      It most certainly does. YOU wouldn’t exist if it didn’t.

      I see no proof of man made mutation in this article. I do see a lot of speculation.

    • #321709
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      From the Torygraph, owned by the Barclay brothers, billionaire tax avoiders.

      Take it with a grain of salt, they’re pushing the china china china line hard.

    • #321787
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      I don’t know, they did pull this pre-print (under pressure, someone said).  But the contents look like the work of actual students and not cranks.

    • #321811
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      I also believe the U. S. government is responsible for it.

      Just weeks before the outbreak, U. S. “troops” were holding military maneuvers in China, close to Wuhan.

      Coincidence? I highly doubt it.

      U.S. military personnel took part in the Military World Games in Wuhan in October 2019. Please. What are the odds of them being there in October 2019 and soon thereafter this virus is unleashed in Wuhan? Come on.

      I believe China… since EVERYONE in our government LIES any time their lips are moving.

      • #321834
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        That’s not a research journal, it’s something called “Great Game India: Journal on Geopolitics & International Relations”


        The “Great Game” is the century-plus conflict between Russia and UK/US.

        “At the start of the 19th century, the Indian subcontinent was ruled in part by independent princely states and in part by the company rule of the British East India Company. During the 19th century a political and diplomatic confrontation developed between Britain and Russia over Afghanistan which later became known as “The Great Game”. Russia was fearful of British commercial and military inroads into Central Asia, and Britain was fearful of Russia adding the “jewel in the crown”, India, to the vast empire that Russia was building in Asia. This resulted in an atmosphere of distrust and the constant threat of war between the two empires.<sup id=”cite_ref-FOOTNOTEEwans20041_1-1″ class=”reference”></sup> If Russia were to gain control of the Emirate of Afghanistan, it might then be used as a staging post for a Russian invasion of India.”


        And it was pulled even from that non-scientific journal, for possible contribution to ‘conspiracy theory’.

        People pick up on things that support their own POV without much vetting.  Usually a mistake.

        This is a pre-publication, non-peer-reviewed submission.  It apparently underwent heavy fire such that it was pulled.

        The authors are all Indian: Here’s the CV of the corresponding author:

        I’m not seeing any expertise in viruses.  He started out in plant genetics.

        Ph.D                     :  Institute of Microbial Technology, (Jawaharlal Nehru University) INDIA, 2001
        M.Sc.Hons.          :  Biotechnology, Madurai Kamaraj University, INDIA, 1996
        B.Sc.(Ag)Hons.    :  Biochemistry, Genetics and plant breeding, Bidhan Chandra Krishi Viswavidyalaya , INDIA , 1993


        Big claims but not much backing them.


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      It is from Jan. 31.    That is long before (as I remember it) total lockdown in Italy, a precursor of lockdowns across America, precursor of hysteria and irrationality about the virus being hyped (either way, that it’s no worse then the flu, repeated every night on the radio for example.  Or that it’s Chinese bio-warfare…many who say that don’t have much proof).

      That’s probably some meta-evidence that the writers of the pre-print did not have an agenda…while at that point scientists could certainly be aware of the magnitude of the threat.  Within China, crisis response was underway.

    • #321838
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Whatever the cause, it’s out there, must be treated, and manmade or no, a vaccine must be found. That is all that matters right now, as far as the virus is concerned.

      Whatever, I don’t believe any of this. I know our government can be incompetent, but as a weapon of biological warfare this one fails miserably. Even Fort Detrick wouldn’t come up with a weapon so lame and ineffective.

      This smacks of people speculating to have fun and to blame their favorite villains, kind of like a Marvel Comics movie.

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      Don’t wanna get into a social media style drawn-out thang about that Indian paper but a few additional things I found out:

      -yes, it was withdrawn voluntarily before being published, after (the authors said) some of the would-be peer reviewers suggested different approaches in some ways.  They would come out with a “revised” version they said.

      India-game or whatever …  no pretense at being a scientific journal or perhaps an unbiased publication but it was the messenger.  That’s where I first heard of this study at this university.  It is also known to lots of other rags/web sites by now, and probably some of them are less credible than others, but I think none of them modified the contents of what the scientists and students wrote.

      -I looked through the list of authors, or about 1/3 of them.  Many were not virologists, true, some are statisticians and such.  Here is one who seems to have some background most people would consider appropriate:

      “Perumal Vivekanandan is an Assistnant Professor at the Kusuma School of Biological Sciences, IIT Delhi, India.  He received his PhD degree in basic medical sciences from Christian Medical College, Vellore. He studied the molecular Biology of HBV and the Biology of HBV-related hepatocellular carcinoma as postdoctoral fellow at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD. His contribution to the field include (i) elucidation of novel mechanisms leading to occult HBV infection and (ii) pioneering work in epigenetic regulation of HBV and its proteins. He is currently working on understanding the biological role of HBeAg in the pathogenesis of chronic HBV infection.”

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