U.S. backed Taliban murder of Afghans, Russia backed Taliban murder of U.S. troops

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    • #332141
      not4sale
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      Warmongers R’Us.  Propagandists want us to believe murder is bad, unless it’s us doing the murdering.  Same old shit story from the predatory capitalists that treat us all like cannon fodder and covid test rabbits.  They provide BS propaganda for us to “discuss” as if any of it’s real while they loot the American people of everything in our lives, including our lives themselves.

    • #332142
      Cold Mountain Trail
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    • #332144
      Ohio Barbarian
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      If the Americans hadn’t invaded Afghanistan, none of them would have been killed with Russian weapons by the Taliban.

      Isn’t symmetry wonderful?

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #332164
      Earthartist
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      After being lied to all of their lives is so depressing to me. Our country is falling apart and instead of working together to kick the emperor’s out we let them play kick ball with us. over and over again.

      Earthartist

    • #332202
      Yanath
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      @not4sale

      The US needs to withdraw from Afghanistan, stop trying to compete with China’s economic challenges with military agression, and  start being a responsible, cooperative global citizen. A new cold war guarantees no action on the ecological crisis.

    • #332207
      PolecatHollerer
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      .

      If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

    • #332222
      peacecorps
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      while they loot the American people of everything in our lives, including our lives themselves.”

      And if Donald, Mitch, et. al. are not ‘looters’ that is news to me.

      “Propagandists want us to believe murder is bad, unless it’s us doing the murdering.”

      Well said. The whole “My country (country A) is always right. And your country (country B) is always wrong” gets to be very tiresome.” Of course, most people think that their country is ‘country A’ and ‘country B’ can do no right.

      Murder is murder whether you are bombing Tripoli or Aleppo, whether you are shooting down MH17 or Iran Air 655, whether you are killing Russians or Americans in Afghanistan. That good ol’ ‘whataboutism’ does not change murder from bad to good, no matter which side you are one.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #332249
      Yanath
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      @peacecorps

      and indeed for customary international law in general, is the concept of national sovereignty, so killing self-serving foreign invaders is absolutely consistent with international law, and is therefore not murder, even if  the invaders are Americans. You have been indoctrinated to hold your views on such matters, through a lifetime of exposure to deceitful propaganda.

    • #332255
      peacecorps
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      And there is no moral or legal difference between the US (country B) paying Afghans to kill Russian (Country A) invaders and Russia (A) paying Afghans to kill American (B) invaders.

      I do expect that an American or a Russian president would, nonetheless, be interested in knowing that someone was paying Afghans to kill their troops even if the Russian or American troops should not have been there in the first place. Perhaps there would be nothing that either president could do about it (or perhaps either would choose to just ignore it) but they would want to know.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #332292
      Yanath
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      @peacecorps

      A country that has been illegally invaded, can legally ask a third party for financial assistance — ‘pay to kill Americans’, for example — and the third party can legally provide it.

    • #332446
      peacecorps
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      It happened in 1939 when Poland was invaded by Germany and the USSR though nobody helped, including the US.

      It happened in 1940 when France was invaded by Germany. The UK helped – to no great effect. The US did nothing.

      It happened in 1941 when the USSR was invaded by Germany. The US Lend-Lease program provided war material though not troops.

      It happened in 1950 when North Korea invaded South Korea. The UN authorized military intervention on the side of South Korea.

      It happened again in 1950 when the US invaded North Korea. China came to the aid of North Korea.

      We all know the history of South Vietnam asking for American help against North Vietnam.

      “A country that has been illegally invaded, can legally ask a third party for financial assistance — ‘pay to kill Americans’, for example — and the third party can legally provide it.”

      And not just ‘financial assistance.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #332461
      Yanath
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      peacecorps
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      Is there something specific with which you disagree or does a broad brush suffice?

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #332494
      Yanath
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      @peacecorps

      We established dictatorships (twice in one year in Vietnam), and it was those dictators who ‘asked’ for ‘help’ from the US government, which in both countries, included the slaughter of millions.

      In the case of Vietnam, which was of no strategic value whatsoever, we thwarted elections that were guaranteed to be won by a socialist. It was purely an ideological terrorist war against the Vietnamese people. Contrary to popular belief, we did not lose that war, because its purpose was to simply wipe out any potentially successful socialist experiment and to enrich war profiteers, not to win anything of material or strategic value.

      The permission of the UN Security Council to slaughter civilians, is not what determines whether or not an intervention is legal. It’s the letter of the law that decides.

    • #332509
      Earthartist
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      Wow Peace corps you might want to check your history. You also might want to look up and see who some of the biggest funders of germany were. We had one reason and only one to be in Korea. China, and Russia. Other then that we could care less about them. Peacecorps the US has never done anything for altruistic reasons. The US does things for oil, drugs, bases on the boarder of Russia, empire, minerals, slave labor. That’s it they Have never gone into any country because it was the right thing to do.

      Earthartist

    • #332649
      bazukhov
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      The poor sods on all sides who died/killed for their country.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #332666
      peacecorps
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      “… the US has never done anything for altruistic reasons.”

      You will get no argument from me though I think you could count the number of countries that do anything for ‘altruistic reasons’ on no hands.

      I suspect the citizens of South Korea are better off today than those in the North but that was certainly not the reason that we got involved. It has been fortuitous effect. South Korea was ruled by a dictator at the time, just like the North. And was just as dirt poor.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #332718
      incognito
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      murdering its own citizens.

      THAT’S reality.

      They can shove their propaganda. It falls on deaf ears.

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