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  • Purveyor (2634 posts)
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    U.S. Spies to Trump: Stop Comparing Us to Nazis

    Kimberly Dozier
    01.11.17 8:15 PM ET

    President Richard Nixon didn’t trust the CIA on the Vietnam War. President George W. Bush didn’t much like what the CIA had to say about the war in Iraq.

    But until Donald Trump, no future commander in chief has compared America’s spies to Nazis.

    “I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out there,” Trump said, implying members of the U.S. intelligence community were behind the leak of a former British spy’s opposition research on Trump.

    “That’s something that Nazi Germany would have done,” he said at his first news conference as president elect, just days ahead of his inauguration.

    more…

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/11/u-s-spies-to-trump-stop-comparing-us-to-nazis.html

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  • azurnoir (1687 posts)
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    1. oh the irony and I'm being polite

  • northernsouthern (987 posts)
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    2. I didn't get his connection.

    So he is implying that Nazi Germany Brown or Black coats would have made sure that on Hitlers inauguration there were still paper swirling around that implied that Hitler had peed on the bed of the out going German leader, and that Russia had phonographs of it??? Is he basically admitting he is Hitler, and that Nazis are bad at there job?

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    • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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      4. Itis a touchy subject. Dulles imported a bunch of them after the war.

      HW vetted them and had two on his campaign staff.

      • northernsouthern (987 posts)
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        5. That still does not help.

        First of all…Allen Dulles? The one for this youtube video? :)

         

        On a serious note, even if Trump somehow was referencing this moment in history (pretty sure he would not be that informed)…that still does not explain what Trump was tweeting. Is he implying that the Nazis that Allen got over were bad at their jobs? Did the Nazis allow damaging press releases to come out against an incoming president that was being courted by the Soviets? Also you are missing the biggest issue, he said…

        “That’s something that Nazi Germany would have done,”

        so nothing to do with imported CIA spies, he would have said, that is something former Nazi’s of a defeated and soon to be split up Deutschland but no legalized and working for the CIA would have done. You can’t be Nazi Germany post WWII! You made up my mind, Trump is saying he is Hitler, but that the Nazi’s suck at their jobs, would would explain the night of the long knives….Trump is getting ready to “drain” the browncoats, er I mean swamp. :P

         

         

         

        First song reminded me of this one…

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        • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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          6. More like

          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/books/review/the-brothers-by-stephen-kinzer.html

          Think he just wanted to associate the CIA with Nazi and that is the way it was taken.

          • northernsouthern (987 posts)
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            7. I was talking about them.

            But the video was by a user with the same name for some reason, so I had to post it. But that was my point, he just merged the Nazis and the CIA together because he was in his [email protected] talking mode…but it resulted in the dumbest mess I have read from him in a bit because it makes no sense at all unless he is saying he is Hitler, since he said Nazi Germany…and he is now being elected.

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            • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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              8. It worked. You are discussing it.

              Might have revived the association in other circles.

              • northernsouthern (987 posts)
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                9. No.

                You posted that as your point, my point is that Trump seems to have just said he was the President of Nazi Germany. All he did was make me brake my rule of talking about Trump being Hitler by basically implying it himself.

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  • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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    3. hate it when I have to agree with TRump.

  • INTJ (1761 posts)
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    10. He compared those who leak for political reasons to Nazis, not every spy

    Not being a student of Nazi Intelligence history, I’m not sure whether or not Nazi intelligence officers actually leaked for political reasons, so Trump’s statement may be erroneous on that level, too.

    But, looked at in a more general way, what Trump did was paint unnamed politically motivated leakers working in US intelligence with something broadly viewed as despicable.    This is a very common form of rhetorical practice in the US and in political chatrooms

    One defense against such a charge is to push it until it fails.  This is what the Daily Beast article does.  The target of Trump’s statement, the few political leakers, is expanded until it includes ‘all spies’ many of whom can be considered a priori to be unconnected to this particular offense.  So modified the claim then falls like a strawman.   This is also a common, logic defying, linguistic practice in the US even in political chatrooms.

    This isn’t a defense of Trump, it’s an observation on the nature of the exchange.

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  • bemildred (2296 posts)
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    11. Can this marriage be saved?

    :popcorn:

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