Ukraine was making plans to give in to Trump's Biden request: report

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    Ohio Barbarian
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    (The Hill) Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was reportedly preparing to announce the investigation requested by President Trump into former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter in order to secure military aid withheld by the Trump administration until word the funds had been frozen leaked.

    In a July 25 phone call that occurred days after Trump froze the aid and has become central to House Democrats’ impeachment effort, Trump urged Zelensky to announce the probe into Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company for which he worked.

    Most of Zelensky’s inner circle advised him to make the statement, saying the need for the aid outweighed any fallout that might result from seeming to take sides in U.S. politics, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

    Zelensky’s staff reportedly planned for him to announce an investigation as well as a separate probe into a conspiracy theory about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election in a Sept. 13 interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, but the hold on the hundreds of millions of dollars became public, prompting outrage, two days before the interview was scheduled, according to the Times.

    Full story here.

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  • #215261

    99th Monkey
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    Wow I am so glad this info got out, since Trumps’s GOP enablers are trying to dismiss this whole thing as “no harm no foul” .. yet this inconvenient fact strongly suggests otherwise.

  • #215269

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    I think American corruption in Ukraine should be investigated, and by the Ukrainians themselves as well as the US.  Even if it’s shown to be technically legal we deserve to know who is influencing directly or buying influence for large amounts of money.

  • #215695

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    This “aid” is to keep the war going, to further cement a divide in Ukraine along ethnic lines – a war initiated by the USA under Obama/Clinton/Nuland and a neocon consensus that continued the neocon consensus that drove the GWB admin.

    I don’t see how Donald Trump sticking his finger into that pie makes it any better.

    And y’know, I don’t think the USA will be able to keep the oil they’re plundering from Syria, even if they sugar-coat the increased military presence near the oilfields as a “withdrawal” and “bringing the troops home”.  It’s still Syrian oil, even if Trump says it isn’t.

    • #216109

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      @algernon That is all true, but is completely irrelevant to the impeachment issue at hand. Congress allocated military funds to Ukraine. I happen to disagree with that vote, but they did. Trump withheld those funds in a blatant act of extortion to get the Ukrainian president to announce on CNN that Ukraine is investigating the Bidens.

      The only reason Trump wanted that to happen was to hurt his political rival’s campaign; it’s not as if he is actually opposed to war funding.

      And what he did is illegal. Extortion is a felony. Period. Game, set, match.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #216372

        sadoldgirl
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        I am not so sure about Trump’s reason for refusal. In his

        2018 DoD proposal he did not demand any money for

        further military support for the Ukraine, but Congress

        overruled him..The same was true for 2019, when he

        used it for a tit-for-tat. It is just possible that he did

        not want to aggravate Russia too much, while it

        appears that this is exactly what Congress has in

        mind.

        • #216378

          Ohio Barbarian
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          Oh, come on. Trump himself has admitted he pressured Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, only he kept shouting “No quid pro quo!” This shows that there was a quid pro quo, which in this case means extortion.

          I don’t understand why people keep defending this idiot.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

        • #216451

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          I don’t think his reason for refusal matters, nor does him being against the aid earlier, as congress overruled.  He’s not a king.

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            “He’s not a king.”

            That is it in a nutshell. Presidents don’t get to ignore the legislature. Kings do. (And no one can tell a king not to use the government to enrich himself.)

            I think Donald sees himself as a king, perhaps why he seems more comfortable with authoritarians than he does with democratic leaders.

            National problems (slavery/racism, income inequality, pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war) are not solved with more national sovereignty.

            A CEO, an American worker and an immigrant sit at a table with a dozen cookies in front of them. The CEO grabs 11 of them, then leans over and warns the worker, "Watch out for the immigrant. He is trying to get your cookie."

      • #216856

        algernon
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        I agree.

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