‘Unapologetic’ and ‘Obvious’

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    • #350336
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      Unaplogetic has a video titled “Kyle Kulinski & Krystal Ball Keep Pushing Failed Takeover Of Dem Party.”

      I found myself, while viewing it, reading some comments from viewers.

      It turns out both Unapologetic and a commenter named Captain Obvious are really perceptive.

      The video is by Unapologetic.

      Here is a standout comment (with some editing, by me, for clarification) by Captain Obvious:

      My stance is that the [Democrats] are no longer a real political party at all and, therefore, must be destroyed and replaced by 3rd party—or no change will ever happen except for the change of things getting even worse.

      When I say the Dems are not a real political party, I mean that they don’t function as one. A political party is a collection of people with a shared worldview and a policy agenda. That policy agenda is stated in the party platform. That the Democratic Party platform is utterly meaningless, and bears no resemblance to the reality of how Dems operate in office, proves my point about the Dems not being a real political party.

      What the Dems are is a fundraising corporation and a mechanism of control designed to flush away all of the Left’s efforts to obtain progressive policy. The main function of the Dems is simply to maximize fundraising profits which therefore makes them, first and foremost, a fundraising corporation. The Dems are more than willing to lose elections, even thousands of seats nationwide, if they squeeze out even more money from corporate donors. While that doesn’t necessarily mean that any one particular Dem wants to lose a race they are running in, it does mean that fundraising is more important to Dems than winning elections as a whole. The policy the Dems produce in office is simply a function of the perpetual effort to maximize fundraising profits.

      This model happens to work because Democrats know the Republicans will also, when in office, only produce the same corporate policy which will inevitably cause a voter backlash. This is known as The Seesaw Effect. Both corporate “parties” are simply continually trading places as the party with the temporary majority share of power as Americans are so conditioned and brainwashed against building new parties that voters flip-flop back and forth between two ever-worsening choices.

      And all of this is why I have come to believe that Lefties/progressive who run in the Dem party, even if they win, are doing more harm than good. Because of how badly the Dems cheats the Left in their rigged Dem primaries, every progressive Dem who makes it through the gauntlet of a rigged Dem primary creates false hope in other Lefties that change is just right around the corner—and the DemEnter strategy is correct—when none of that is true. While a pitiful handful of progressive Dems might make it through the rigged Dem primaries, the vast majority won’t and can’t. This makes the ones who do make it through a sort of mirage the Left is spellbound by. And that mirage will keep the Left crawling forward like a dying man in the desert, achieving nothing, for decades.

    • #350344
      ThouArtThat
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      @colorsoftherainbow

      Hi cotr,

      Yep – one party – two fictions – one master – the 1%.

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    • #350350
      NV Wino
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      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
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    • #350394
      djean111
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      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #350401
      HassleCat
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      They believe in nothing. They will fight for nothing. They are so cautious as to be comatose. They will suck up to anybody to avoid conflict. Why have a party? All it does is rake in money, which is the point, I guess.

    • #350417
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I had deep misgivings about Bernie running in the Democratic primary–again–for that very reason. I was afraid they’d figure out a way to steal the nomination from him again, and that he would then fold up like a cheap suit and endorse the corporate Democrat they rigged it for. I argued right here on JPR that a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party was impossible, an illusion, something that could never come to pass.

      When Bernie ran again anyway, I supported him in the slim hope that maybe turnout would be so great that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to cheat him out of victory again, but that was, as I had feared, a false hope. It looked real for a moment, in Nevada, but the Dems used first impeachment and then flat-out electoral fraud to keep it a fiction.

      One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I must say that I am now convinced that progressives who still believe it is possible for them to take over the Democratic Party are insane, and they can’t change until they realize that they’ve been completely bamboozled by this impossible dream.

      I see no point in supporting crazy people of any political stripe. The Greens aren’t crazy–they know the odds. Neither are the Libertarians on that particular front.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350423
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @OhioBarbarian writes,

      “One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I must say that I am now convinced that progressives who still believe it is possible for them to take over the Democratic Party are insane, and they can’t change until they realize that they’ve been completely bamboozled by this impossible dream.”

      It also depends on which progressives.

      Some of them are professional progressives.

      I question those professional progressives as to whether they are actual progressives.

      Anybody who claims he is a progressive but will end up voting in the 2020 general election for Joe Biden to be president of the United States, for any explanation, is not a progressive. He may be mistaken. He may be delusional. He may be a fraud.

    • #350426
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I love his conclusion, that the crisis we’re in now is every bit as divisive, and revolutionary(my term), as the slavery issue before the Civil War, and that what’s coming may be even more intense.

      I agree with him 100% that a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party is impossible. Every single one of these progressive Democrats caved to the Democratic leadership on the CARES Act that gave $5 trillion to the kleptocracy and crumbs to the rest of us. Every single one. That, as Joe Biden said of Donald Trump’s failure to protect Americans against the pandemic, is unforgivable.

      Reforming the Democratic Party from within is every bit as impossible as reforming the Communist Party in the Soviet Union was after Stalin. Oh, there were minor reforms made, but the corruption of the Stalinist system just kept coming back and getting rid of the reformers until the whole thing imploded. As Unapologetic says, it’s the entire system that has to be changed, and it cannot be changed from within.

      We’ve seen the proof of that in just five short months this year. Kyle Kulinski, Krystal Ball, you’re hearts are in the right place and I love you dearly, but you’re just plain wrong on this issue. All we can do now is wait for the Ragnarok of our political and economic system and hope to harness it when it comes.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350433
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @colorsoftherainbow True, if someone’s a fraud pretending to be a progressive when they know they’re not they’re obviously not progressive. But many people who really are progressives will vote for Biden because they got suckered into the Lesser Evil thing. I may think they’re damned fools, but people of any political persuasion can be damned fools, even progressives.

      At least you don’t have to worry about Kulinski–he’s said he’s not voting for Joe Biden, and I have no reason to doubt him. Where I disagree with him now is in supporting any Democrat. They may get elected with the best of intentions, but if they’re not willing to join the corrupt club at all, why apply for membership by running in the primary? Better to find other like-minded people and start your own club.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #350539
      3fingerbrown
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      He gets it.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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