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  • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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    Unify my Ass

    I know I am singing to the choir but I plan on continuing until this becomes progressive policy.

    Before progressives can move forward we must learn from the last election. When the Corp Wing of our Party tells us to “unify” they mean “get in line and shut up”. Using the word of an outspoken friend, “Bullshit”. We will never win if we continue to “unify” with the Corp Wing. Their strategy has been proven to be a losing strategy. And even were they to win, we would end up saddled conservative values. For example, $10/hr min wage.
    We must get over our petty differences among ourselves and vow to never support a Corp Democrat. Not in a primary and not in a general. That means not supporting an incumbent if they are beholden to the Big Money. This will be painful but IMO it’s the only way.
    Again, the Corp Democratic strategy has been losing for more than a decade.

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    • Fawke Em (3742 posts)
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      1. Change is always painful.

      I know I hear from Hillbots and K-Hivers who say, “By not supporting (insert corporate asshole Dem here), you are hurting the people you CLAIM to want to protect (i.e. people of color, LGBT, women, etc.).”

      WRONG.

      My comeback is always: “By supporting (insert corporate asshole Dem here), YOU are hurting those same people. The Democrats may be marginally better on social issues, but until the Democrats start supporting progressive economic and foreign policy issues, those people are far more injured. If you don’t think a $15 an hour minimum wage or Single Payer won’t lift up millions of PoC, LGBT and women, you’re missing the point.”

       

          
      • MistaP (5668 posts)
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        5. plus that's rather rich coming from the wing of the party that jailed more

        Black people than Nixon and Reagan combined, instinctively race-baits, and turned Honduras into one of the worst trans-murdering parts of the planet (in a country without that track record even during its death-squad days)

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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          31. exactly. their hypocrisy (lying) is stunning

      • VagrantPeters (619 posts)
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        6. Oh and how they LOVE to miss that point!

        Over and over again, it’s easier to just call us names than actually swallow that reality.

        "The older I get the more jazz and scotch become essential." - VP
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        14. Excellent comeback!

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        39. Damn tootin'!!

    • Eleanors38 (168 posts)
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      2. The only "unity" the DNC has exhibited lately is the attacks on da "Left."

      I blathered for years over on Depleted Uranium that the Party can muster up passion only when it attacks its own party members should they stray to the left of Dwight Eisenhower.  Hence the time they have spent (through its “columnists”) in attacking Bernie, da Left, even liberals.  Trump actions?  Too busy.

      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        40. They fear and loathe us.

        24/7.  They want to “work with” the Repigs because there is Money to be made.  Take your hat off, peasant, when the Sacred Word is spoken.  What does this say to you?

    • mick063 (2284 posts)
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      3. I couldn't agree more

      You know what bothers the Clinton wing the most about “us”?

      We are not obsessed with blaming Russia for Hillary’s immense failure to defeat a moronic orange buffoon.

      The loss is very embarrassing for them. Obama easily won twice and then many of his voters switched sides or didn’t show. The Clinton faction has not come up with a credible explanation for this yet (Unless you consider that the Russians were not giving free rides to the polling stations as a legitimate excuse). The only reason why they give no credible explanation is because all logical answers diminish Hillary’s “legacy”.

      "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
      • VagrantPeters (619 posts)
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        7. You really got to wonder how she has, so far, pulled off the whitewash.

        She should be waist deep in self loathing and apologizing to the American people for her absolutely, world record smashing shit show of a campaign.  Somehow, she has largely escaped unscathed, I blame our lame ass press for that.

        I’ve yet to hear anyone tell me what Russia supposedly did that impacted the election in anyway.  ‘Russia hacked our election’ Every time I ask for elaboration I get nonsense and nothing.

         

        "The older I get the more jazz and scotch become essential." - VP
        • FugitiveBirdie (1669 posts)
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          20. I feel bad you didn't get satisfactory answers.

          Elaboration:

          We confirmed what we already suspected about how corrupt Hillary and the DNC was.

          The part about President Obama’s cabinet picks by CitiBank was icing on the cake.

          • VagrantPeters (619 posts)
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            33. Color me satisfied!

            :)

             

            The whole Ctitbank cabinet appointments was a story for about 3 minutes – when it should have consumed the entire press cycle for at least a month.  The rose colored glasses came on for Obama immediately, it’s understandable with the shit burger we have now but damn people forget quick.

             

            "The older I get the more jazz and scotch become essential." - VP
      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        41. The party must be rebuilt from the ground up

        and the corporatists purged.  Build around Bernie and Liz Warren and their younger followers.

        There is no shortage of ideas on the Left.  Viz, Robert Reich, Tom Frank, Joe Stiglitz, Thomas Piketty and many others too numerous to mention.  All of them stand for the people against entrenched wealth.  There are no excuses any more.

         

    • closeupready (1353 posts)
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      4. Agreed. Corporate Democrat = Democrats Who Can Be Bought. Ergo, no red lines.

      That is, sure they say they “support X, not Y!”, but then the Y industry gives them $$$ for their campaign war chest, and bingo-bango-bongo, they no longer support X, but Y instead.

      Look at abortion.  Democrats claimed they supported a woman’s right to choose; now, they’re hedging, even letting pro-life Democrats run the DNC.

      In other words, if an official can be bought, then there are absolutely ZERO RED LINES – THEY WILL CROSS THOSE LINES FOR THE RIGHT PRICE, NO MATTER WHAT ISSUE.

      The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        16. It's absoluetly perfect.

        Corporate Democrat = Democrats Who Can Be Bought.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
        • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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          35. yes

        • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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          42. Abso-frickin-lutely.

          We already know what you are, now we are merely negotiating the cost.

      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        34. they're cheap whores

    • Average Gazoo (1041 posts)
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      8. They are in a damage control mode but still doing damage

      They are trying hang on to whatever remains of the DNC machine and they still, for reasons that escape me, believe that identity politics are the way to keep what they perceive to be their base in line.

      The name calling, gas lighting, false flagging, bait and switching, blame shifting, backroom cigar smoking, Panera Bread strategizing, Right-shifting, and media marshalling will continue until morale improves seems to be their strategy.

      They want our expectations low because that is the only way they can come remotely close to meeting our expectations.

      They tell us ‘this is the time for unity‘ and they will ramp that up as we go into 2018 but this is the time for changes. There will be no unity without changes and they don’t want to make changes so…   We must continue to chip away. We must primary their corporate stooges even while we run 3rd party candidates.  We must continue to support alternative media and to organize outside of the 2-party/MSM/corporate structure and we must never accept low expectations.

      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        17. Well said.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        36. they think if they toss some bones to minorities and some high-profile

        positions, they can keep things under control til minorities catch on

        basically flipping the paradigm where whites were on top, minorities on bottom

        because demographics (which they help create via immigration, btw)

        but people do wise up, and minority support for sanders’ platform seems stronger than white support

        the trend is that the majority of folks regardless of color are going to keep falling behind economically

        more and more my reaction to all these people is just gut level revulsion

      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        43. Jebus. Identity politics.

        The ultimate failing mug’s game.  May the IPU and the FSM forgive us.

      • senz (5391 posts)
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        53. Yesterday in Charlottesville we saw identity politics taken to the extreme.

        It did not have to happen that way; there could have been a dozen different outcomes.  It served its purpose.

        I’m sure the DNC and their oligarchic masters would love for us to coalesce in a self-righteous social justice hive against those awful (fellow 99 percenter) “others.”

        Fuck the corporate Dems and their artificial divisions brought about by widespread uncertainty, fear and distrust in the face of their very own plutocrat-driven economic landscape.

        This guy told us what is happening nearly two years ago:

        • Average Gazoo (1041 posts)
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          54. Yes it was. The DNC seeks to equate us with racist extremists by coining

          term “alt-Left.”  The center-right corporatist DNC seeks to exploit violence and identity politics like that in Charlottesville by declaring themselves the center.  They benefit from the illusion that the main political battle is left vs right because that displaces an understanding that the US is in the shitter due to Top vs Bottom.

          Exploiting predatory economics, profiting from the prison system and selling legislation to the highest corporate bidders is extremist. The 2-party duopoly has the real power in this country. THEY profit from the opioid crisis and from healthcare bills that bankrupt Americans forcing them to sell their homes to banks at fire sale prices.  People fighting each other in the streets are relatively powerless but the divisions in this country which are furthered by the DNC’s insistence on identity politics are the work of the powerful.  A marriage of corporate and government power is fascism by definition.  Nazis with torches are scary because they look like the fascism of 80 years ago but they provide cover for modern fascism which seeks to exploit our fears in order to increase their own power.  The DNC’s purposeful use of the term “alt-Left” seeks to marginalize the real center, the 78% of Americans who want Single Payer and other fair and reasonable policies.

          The real extremists are those who enable and directly practice fascism from the halls of power on a daily basis — the Alt-Center.

          • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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            55. thank you. still haven't figured out what 'alt-right' is supposed to mean

            and just recently noticed ‘alt-left,’ but i think you pegged it in it’s propaganda value

            Exploiting predatory economics, profiting from the prison system and selling legislation to the highest corporate bidders is extremist. The 2-party duopoly has the real power in this country. THEY profit from the opioid crisis and from healthcare bills that bankrupt Americans forcing them to sell their homes to banks at fire sale prices.  People fighting each other in the streets are relatively powerless but the divisions in this country which are furthered by the DNC’s insistence on identity politics are the work of the powerful.  A marriage of corporate and government power is fascism by definition.  Nazis with torches are scary because they look like the fascism of 80 years ago but they provide cover for modern fascism which seeks to exploit our fears in order to increase their own power.  The DNC’s purposeful use of the term “alt-Left” seeks to marginalize the real center, the 78% of Americans who want Single Payer and other fair and reasonable policies.

             

    • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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      9. Amen, brother! All of us on the real left who want real, positive change need

      to be aware that the Democratic Party establishment, ie the Third Way, are our enemies, not our allies. We must not vote for them, ever, no matter what. This is necessary not in order to convince the politicians and the DNC themselves, but our fellow voters who keep enabling them, that they cannot win without us, because we really want the same things.

      And that the Democratic Party in its current form will never deliver on those things. As for the LOTE argument, really, there’s no substantive policy difference on bread and butter issues or war.

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • cascadiance (2379 posts)
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        10. They've been too used to getting their way for too long!

        After this election, people are FED UP with being $HIT upon!!!  When asked to fall in line, we all echo Bernie’s words that Thom Hartmann has boiled in to his RT show intro now!

        Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
        • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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          15. Great stuff, thanks. And I like Thom Hartmann. He and Lee Camp, and others,

          are living proof that RT America is not just Russian propaganda. They are certainly not pro-Trump, as the Democratic meme would have people think. I have a couple of friends who have never watched it just because of what they heard on the corporate media and from things like the DNC.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        18. They will never deliver!

        Until they change their very nature.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
        • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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          19. Scorpion.

          There’s a First Nations story about a scorpion who asked a frog to take it on its back across a swollen stream. The frog says “No, you’ll sting me and I’ll die.” The scorpion says, “Why would I sting you? If I do, then we will both drown.” So the frog agrees to take the scorpion across the creek.

          Halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog. Feeling the poison coursing through his veins, the frog says, “Why did you do that? Now we’ll both drown.”

          The scorpion replies, “It’s my nature.”

          The corporate Dems cannot change their nature. I  grew tired of playing the frog long ago.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
          • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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            21. I absolutely agree.

            aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
          • ZimInSeattle (1152 posts)
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            32. Heard the story of the scorpion and the frog the other day from Chakotay on

            Star Trek Voyager. I immediately thought of establishment Dems.

            "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
            • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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              48. Where do you think I learned it?

              :lol:  But it is a real story. I forget which First Nation, I’m sorry to say.

              "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
          • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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            44. This. Period. nt

        • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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          22. They are not capable of changing their nature.

          aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
      • ravensong (1281 posts)
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        47. +1

        “Do not underestimate the resistance of the Democratic establishment.” ~ Sen. Bernie Sanders  
    • BillZBubb (2366 posts)
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      11. They never wanted unity, they want capitulation.

      The Third Way is still living in their delusion that progressives have no where else to go. With enough coaxing, cajoling, gas-lighting, and fear mongering they believe progressives with eventually bow down and obey. That time is gone.

      It will be hard for them to accept that they are now just as toxic as the republicans.

      DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
      • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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        25. But we must make it clear. We must tell them over and over. This

        time Charlie Brown isn’t going to try to kick the ball.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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          45. Nope. This time we are going to kick Lucy

          in the head.  While wearing spikes.

    • CalGoldenBear (532 posts)
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      12. Bingo! (BTW, IIRC, Shrillary was in favor of $12.00, but only for fast food

      workers).  Bernie of course was and is in favor of $15 an hour minimum wage.

      • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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        23. I am aware that Hillary said $12/hour but IMO that was her starting point

        for negotiations.  She would settle for $10 or lower.  My point is she doesn’t give a crap about the 99%.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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      13. You are definitely singing to the choir.

      Yay! :bounce:

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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        24. I am repeating this because it has to become accepted progressive policy

        to never support corp Dems.  Some progressives still fall for the better evil argument.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • draa (790 posts)
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      26. "This will be painful"

      Exactly.

      Our movement was called a Revolution not a goddamn garden party. Pain is to be expected.

    • Betty Karlson (3454 posts)
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      27. Take the party, or break the party.

      ‘Cause all they do, is fake the party.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
      • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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        28. Exactly, which is why THEY have to go.

        Whether they go join the Republicans or continue strangling the Democratic Party until it goes the way of the Federalists doesn’t matter to me. They don’t get my support, or my vote, regardless.

        "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
    • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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      29. On The Daily Radical!

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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        50. Thank you Mary.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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          52. Thank you Thom!

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • ctsnowman (458 posts)
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      30. The Democrats

      Have lost control of almost everything from the president down to the dog catcher and it’s all because I am a racist and sexist white man. Even though I have voted for every D on the ticket for decades until last November.

       

      Now where do I send the check for this great message to be put forth?

      Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        37. damn you! all your fault! we don't want your dirty white male money!

        (unless you’re a big league player that is)

    • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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      38. Pelosi and Schumer must GO.

      Yesterday.

      Pick out any recent lecture by Thomas Frank.  Follow his prescriptions.  Burn the rest down.

      • ThomPaine (3699 posts)
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        51. And Wasserman-Schultz and Feinstein and the whole lot.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • Colors of the Rainbow (1311 posts)
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      46. Bill Clinton going forward…

      The electoral map was realigned in the 1980s and 1990s.

      Rs flipped southern states like Texas, South Carolina, Alabama, and Mississippi in 1980. They have not once carried for a Democratic presidential nominee or winner.

      Ds flipped “northern” states—ones not among the Old Confederate states—in 1992 like California, Illinois, New Jersey, and Vermont. They have not once carried for a Republican presidential nominee or winner. (2016 was the first time my home state, Michigan, disagreed with these four since 1968.)

      Since 1994, when Bill Clinton’s Democratic Party lost majority control of the U.S. House of Representatives (first time in 40 years) and U.S. Senate (first time in six years), particularly the House became realigned to the Rs. The GOP has had majority control with the lower chamber in all but four years.

      I don’t support Nancy Pelosi, the sole Democratic Party member to be House speaker since after 1995, or the continuation of this Democratic Party faction directing the party overall.

    • Scott Crowder (443 posts)
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      49. The Establishment needs to bend its fucking knee to the left, but since

      that will never happen, they are the enemy.