United States will work with #Ukraine to ensure that it meets the criteria for #NATO membership

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    • #420397
      jbnw
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      Hard to get a US source on this – I first saw it in a tweet:

      JUST IN – United States will work with #Ukraine to ensure that it meets the criteria for #NATO membership, says the US Department of State just days before US Secretary of State’s visit to the country.

      There’s more on Sputnik News at https://sputniknews.com/military/202104301082774706-ukraine-can-work-to-meet-standards-to-become-nato-member-state-dept-says/ has

      Recent weeks have seen a tense standoff as Russian troops moved south for readiness drills and Kiev and Washington declared a Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent. Earlier this year, Kiev laid out plans to retake the Crimea, which voted to rejoin Russia in 2014 following a US-backed right-wing nationalist coup in Kiev.

      “I think you are very aware that the Biden administration remains committed to ensuring that NATO’s door remains open to aspirants when they are ready and able to meet commitments and obligations. We are committed certainly to ensuring that the country like Ukraine can work to meet those standards,” Acting US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Reeker told reporters Friday.

      His words come just days before US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is scheduled to visit Ukraine and a few weeks after Blinken met with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba in Brussels. After that meeting, Kuleba said the US “stands firmly behind the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine,” adding that he and Blinken had “agreed to raise the level of ambition and begin a new day in our relations.”

      NATO’s recommended requirements, from
      https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160627_1607-factsheet-enlargement-eng.pdf include

      To join the Alliance, nations are expected to respect the values of the North Atlantic Treaty, and to meet certain political, economic and military criteria, set out in the Alliance’s 1995 Study on Enlargement. These criteria include a functioning democratic political system based on a market economy; fair treatment of minority populations; a commitment to resolve conflicts peacefully; an ability and willingness to make a military contribution to NATO operations; and a commitment to democratic civil-military relations and institutions.

      It’s hard to see how they could be considered with an on-going civil war with a minority, or perhaps a majority, population, but I suspect guidelines can be waived . . .

    • #420401
      David the Gnome
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      It would obligate other NATO members to military support, I think.  I really don’t think this is a good idea.  Not even remotely.

      The goal is likely to isolate Russia further – gaining vassa… Err, making friends on their border.

      If Ukraine becomes a NATO (weird, spell check corrected NATO as MAYO) member, then they would be more likely to start a larger war.  Remember world war 1?  A larger Nation backing a smaller one can make all kinds of shit go wrong.  Especially when you have so much weaponry that needs testing/using.

    • #420427
      Passionate Progressive
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      but then again Team Biden has been known to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time for its chaos…..Take your pick.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      • #420431
        jbnw
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        as I had also listened to Mercouris.

        I suspect that Biden either doesn’t know what’s going on or doesn’t have a consistent policy (or both) and that this statement is newer than Mercouris’s reading of the situation.


        @passionateprogressive

        • #420499
          Passionate Progressive
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          imply that your post was flawed or inconsistent….

          That Team Biden has exhibited signs of HIM not being in control has been evident from day one and this leads to the chaos….

          Exhibit A.

          https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/crisis-in-american-expertise-washington-has-a-dangerous-destructive-pattern-of-willful-ignorance-on-russia-in-post-soviet-era/

          But as I have seen recently through some zoom conferences from Georgetown and reading recent articles in Foreign Affairs (Columbia’s Timothy Frye).  The wilful ignorance and by extension the chaos extends to academia…I mean how can one (in the case of Frye) get those consultant perks with AID if one challenges the establishment’s agenda.  How can scholars reimburse their student loans without studying political science and bolstering empire-friendly (neo-liberal) research that will give them an entre into State and/or the CIA?

          The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

          • #420514
            jbnw
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            I just took it as a sign of chaos and dysfunction in Biden’s State Department as multiple, competing and contradictory views are expressed.


            @passionateprogressive
            Well, as you and Mercouris see, but the western media will rarely cover. What did Mercouris call it? “Extraordinary dysfunctionality” at least once —

    • #420436
      soryang
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      like enhancing European security, promoting good neighborliness, etc.

      As far as the principle 6 goes, it’s completely inconsistent:

      “States which have ethnic disputes or external territorial disputes, including irredentist claims, or internal jurisdictional disputes must settle those disputes by peaceful means in accordance with OSCE principles. Resolution of such disputes would be a factor in determining whether to invite a state to join the Alliance.”

      It doesn’t comply with principle 7 either. The situation in Ukraine arose out of a regime change operation which had as it’s ultimate goal removing the sovereign authority of Ukraine to make its own determination as to its international alignment. So the whole evolution of the US drive to have a quisling state of its own making become a member of NATO couldn’t be more destabilizing or contribute less to the stability and security of Europe.

      https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm

    • #420489
      GZeusH
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      based on a market economy??  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      They can’t get past square one, never mind any of the others.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

    • #420530
      sadoldgirl
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      Oh my, how is Ukraine going to pay into NATO, when it lives

      already from loans?

      We will have to wait and see. What is spoken for reassurance

      may not be the same as  words in private discussions.

    • #420638
      Paul H Mentzer
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      12 to 15 % of the population of Latvia and Estonia are “Non-Citizens”.   They can not vote nor get passports.  These are Russians whose ancestors moved to both countries post WWII and thus both countries refuse to accept them as Citizens even if almost all of them were born in those two countries. It has been a point of contention between Russia and both countries since the dissolution of the USSR in 1989.  Both countries rationale is these Russians ancestors moved in post WWII and thus do not deserve citizenship.

      There is no way you can say denying people the right to vote is treating an ethnic minority fairly, but that did not stop both countries from joining NATO or staying in NATO.

      Just a comment that the requirements set forth appears to be meaningless, i.e. if no one is actually fighting you, that country is treating its minorities fairly.  Given there is no actual “Real” fighting going on right now in the Eastern Ukraine (a few artillery shells fired at each other is not “really fighting “) the Present Government of the Ukraine are treating its minorities “Fairly” and thus eligible to join NATO.

      • #420651
        jbnw
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        and simply declare that the conflict is being resolved peacefully and minorities are been treated fairly – but hopefully enough NATO members will recognize that there are still complex issues after 13,000 or more Ukrainians have died so far.

        I have not been to Donbas – the closest being Dnipro (or Dnepropetrovsk) and it’s very hard to find coverage from inside Donbas.

        But this may give an idea of what’s still going on, from https://coffeeordie.com/fighting-escalates-ukraine-front-line/ :

        By Nolan Peterson | April 30, 2021

        AVDIIVKA, Ukraine — Standing in the garden of her home on the outskirts of this front-line Ukrainian town, Nastya Troitskaya points over the wall in the direction of the trenches and says: “When the shelling gets really loud, the children always cry. I try my best to stay strong for them. But inside, I’m shaking.”

        Troitskaya, 39, is the mother of four children, aged 17, 13, 8, and 5. They’re all girls. Her two youngest daughters have never known peace. With her husband away for work, Troitskaya lives by herself in a house located in a rural neighborhood only a few miles from the front lines. Russian BM-21 Grad rockets have cratered her street in places.

        The Ukrainian positions are dug in on the opposite side of an open field behind Troitskaya’s home. So close to the front line, the sounds of combat are very loud when they roll in. Loud enough to feel in your chest, not just your ears. The night sky often flashes from explosions, too, Troitskaya says. It’s a terrifying display, even for hardened soldiers. One wonders how civilians — and children no less — are able to adapt to life so close to an active trench war.

        The percussive thuds of artillery are persistent on this day, Tuesday, April 27.


        @happyslug

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