Unmanned-over-the-horizon warfare

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    • #445571
      gordyfl
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      Interesting discussion since our country is shifting away from boots-on-the-ground to unmanned-over-the-horizon warfare.

      Rand Paul: “The guy the Biden administration droned, was he an aid worker or an ISIS-K operative?”

      Tony Blinken: “The administration is of course reviewing that strike, and I’m sure a full assessment will be forthcoming.”

      Rand Paul: “So, you don’t know if it was an aid worker or an ISIS-K operative?”

      Tony Blinken: “I can’t speak to that, and I can’t speak to that in the setting of any event.”

      Rand Paul: “So, you don’t know, or you won’t tell us?”

      Tony Blinken: “I don’t know because we’re reviewing it.”

      Rand Paul: “Well, see, you’d think you’d kind of know before you off somebody with a predator drone whether he was an aid worker or an ISIS-K. You see, the thing is, this isn’t just you. It’s been going on for administration after administration. The Obama administration bombed hundreds and hundreds of people. And the thing is, there is blowback to that. I don’t know if it’s true, but I see pictures of these beautiful children who were killed in the attack. If that’s true, and not propaganda, guess what? Maybe you created hundreds, or maybe thousands on new potential terrorists from bombing the wrong people.

      Separate video…

      General Milley: “The third thing we know from a variety of other means that at least one of those people killed was an ISIS facilitator. So, were there others killed? Yes, there were others killed. Who they are? We don’t know. We’ll try to sort through all that. But we believe that the procedures at this point, I don’t want to influence the outcome of an investigation, but at this point, we think the procedures were correctly followed, and that it was a righteous strike.”

      The panel:

      Kim Iverson: “But if our kids and humanitarian workers aren’t the ones at risk of being incinerated, who really cares?”

      Robby Soave: “Could you imagine if US police forces, a SWAT team gunned down nine people, and then later said “Well, we think…or we’re pretty sure anyway, one of them was a bad guy. We wouldn’t accept that…and Milley is now newly minted as a Trump resistance hero in the mainstream media.

      Ryan Grim: “Before the withdrawal, we were doing both, but now we’re only doing one, which at least allows us to try and train our energy on rolling back the one that’s still going.”

      YouTube (The Hill)…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ma13Zbi3mXo

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      jbnw
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      I wonder how long until people in the US will start to become droned.

      Or if not in the US, US citizens around the world – well, other than by Obama.

      If it’s new information to anyone here, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki .

    • #445580
      retired liberal
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      as there is at least one designated bad guy among them. With emphasis on designated.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

    • #445583
      soryang
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      they were predicated on the false notion of “precision strikes.” if one considers the means used to locate targets, and their locations, the reliance on technical intelligence sources, and their inherent cultural unreliability, innocent people were being killed on a consistent basis. it’s little more than the latest iteration of “ugly Americanism.” After each strike where independent observers alleged that most if not all the dead and wounded were non combatant civilians, the pentagon would respond with perfunctory statements like “there will be an investigation…the circumstances surrounding the strike will be reviewed…proper protocols were followed.” It’s little more than ass covering. I don’t recall a single case of any US personnel being held accountable for such strikes nor of any change in their strike practices. It’s been a consistent pattern. Of late, the US press is trying to recover their non-existent credibility by getting all sanctimonious about this latest massacre of civilians.

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