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  • spud demon (874 posts)
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    US Senate race in NC — the issue is… flags.

    In the super-close race between Deborah Ross (D) and Richard Burr (R), the Burr people have decided to make flags an issue.

    As an ACLU lawyer, Ross defended the right to burn the American flag as free speech.  But she declined to aid a veteran who was threatened with a civil lawsuit for breaking local rules concerning flag poles.

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/new-ad-hammers-deborah-ross-defending-flag-burning-not-right-fly-one/

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    • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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      1. you're on the Spotlight!

      Thank you Spud Demon!

      That’s one hell of a claim to fame, kicked off of Facebook by Her. :)

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • spud demon (874 posts)
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        5. Thank you!

        Kicking people with dissenting views off of forums is a tried and true tactic of CTR.  Clinton is the new Nixon:  politically moderate, but Her methods are reprehensible.

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        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          8. Nixon was the last liberal – more liberal policy to his credit than the Clintons

          and whatever his methods, he was taken down by the ptb

        • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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          12. she out does Nixon by a long shot

          Amazing. And this time we have no truth in M$M

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • spud demon (874 posts)
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            16. She has more modern tools than Nixon did.

            It is very ironic the Washington Post supports her, after it won the nation’s hearts by taking down the same type of person in the 70s.

            I had a visit from a Dem canvasser today.  He said he supported Bernie in the primary and was supporting Hillary now because her stated positions are more reasonable than the Republican candidate.

            I agreed that She was a better centrist than the opposition, and so was Nixon.  I also told him Trump was her puppet, so if he wins she wins.

            But I did accept his recommendations for the local town council races.  We can liberalize this country from the bottom up.  Down Ballot!

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            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              17. Absolutely!

              It’s what we have to do.

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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      2. I have found out that NC is a very politically strange place.

      I am surprised NC isn’t more blue.

      It’s seems like most people are open minded and more diverse then some states that I have been through.

       

      I guess a lot of  the republican support has to do with the large amount of military bases there.

       

      Note:

      i thought it was weird they sang the national anthem before a metal concert.

      • Billy (1979 posts)
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        It’s the churches that influence the people of southern states to be republican.

      • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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        4. Don't forget guns.

        Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
        • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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          7. That's pretty much every state.

          Gun nuts are universal.

          • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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            9. so are religious nuts, more and more. imo, being deliberately seeded and

            there’s a large pool of takers because of poor economic conditions

            • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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              10. I believe people are becoming aware of how

              disposable to the powers that be and they are looking for anything that makes them feel safe and wanted.

               

              I think this is a recipe for bad things to happen. :/

              • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                11. for sure

              • fluff (494 posts)
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                19. So they're clinging to their guns & bibles.

                Remember, remember the 6th of November 2018.
                • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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                  21. Pretty much.

                  Neither will help in the long run. It didn’t help last time when the ptb destroyed the economy and offshored jobs

    • spud demon (874 posts)
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      13. My own take on the flag issue

      Apples and oranges:

      NC law makes it a criminal offense to burn a flag.  I disagree with this, as does ACLU.

      The flag-flying case was about a neighborhood covenant concerning flag poles.  There was no actual lawsuit filed, and the guy won the right to fly the flag without any help from the ACLU.  Good for him.  And good for Deborah Ross for staying out of what should be a private matter.

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      • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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        15. Agree 100%

        ploitics is never about facts and common sense though. :/

      • davidgmills (4746 posts)
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        27. Neighborhood covenents, home owner's associations, and deed restrictions

        Are indeed a can of worms, but of a much different variety.  Not something the ACLU is likely to become involved with.

        French Revolution; not secession.
    • Sriracha (2154 posts)
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      22. She's a former lobbyist.

      I’ll be voting 3rd party in that race.

      • spud demon (874 posts)
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        23. Do you mean as legal counsel for Go Triangle?

        Other than that stint, it seems she’s been pretty busy as a legislator.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_K._Ross

        doesn’t contain the word “lobbyist”.

        If you’re talking about her work for the ACLU, that’s the kind of lobbyist I love!

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        • Sriracha (2154 posts)
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          24. I don't like any lobbyists.

          Think lobbying should be outlawed.

           

          • jeff47 (820 posts)
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            25. So who did she lobby for? (nt)

            • spud demon (874 posts)
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              26. I don't know if her duties included lobbying per se…

              But two organizations she worked for, who presumably do some amount of lobbying, were:

              Both organizations activities would be acceptable to typical progressives, IMHO.

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              • jeff47 (820 posts)
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                28. So…you have no idea if she actually did any lobbying. (nt)

                • spud demon (874 posts)
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                  29. That's a very trollish and insulting response to my honest attempt to inform.

                  I posted what I do know about the places she worked, and I stated that I don’t know if her duties included lobbying, which I would define as professionally making contact with elected officials for the purpose of influencing them.

                  You should not care so much what I know, as what you know.  Feel free to do additional research.

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                  • jeff47 (820 posts)
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                    30. Your honest attempt to inform that lacked honesty.

                    I stated that I don’t know if her duties included lobbying

                    And since you previously implied she was a lobbyist, that’s not exactly an honest attempt to inform, is it?

                    You should not care so much what I know, as what you know. Feel free to do additional research.

                    Yes, it’s soooooo impossible to find out the history of a candidate….oh wait! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_K._Ross

                     

                    • spud demon (874 posts)
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                      31. That was Sriracha who said she was.

                      And you’re repeating a link I already provided, which I stated “doesn’t contain the word “lobbyist”.”

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                    • TM99 (4694 posts)
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                      32. Her opponent classified her

                      as a ‘lobbyist’ for the heathen hippy ACLU.  She was a staff lawyer during the 1990’s and a good one.

                      Let’s try to remain civil when obviously a misunderstanding has occurred.

                      Thanks.

                      When you hear people raising reasoned objections to Trump’s policies and appointments, odds are that you’re listening to the sort of thoughtful dissent that’s essential to any semblance of democracy, and it may be worth taking seriously. When you hear people criticizing Trump and his appointees for doing the same thing his rivals would have done, or his predecessors did, odds are that you’re getting the normal hypocrisy of partisan politics, and you can roll your eyes and stroll on. But when you hear people shrieking that Donald Trump is the illegitimate result of a one-night stand between Ming the Merciless and Cruella de Vil, that he cackles in Russian while barbecuing babies on a bonfire, that everyone who voted for him must be a card-carrying Nazi who hates the human race, or whatever other bit of over-the-top hate speech happens to be fashionable among the chattering classes at the moment—why, then, dear reader, you’re hearing a phenomenon as omnipresent and unmentionable in today’s America as sex was in Victorian England. You’re hearing the voice of class bigotry: the hate that dare not speak its name.  -- John Michael Greer
          • JimLane (1145 posts)
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            33. How broad should that be?

            Suppose the troglodytes in the state legislature propose a bill to outlaw flag burning, or to require every homeowner to post a cross at Easter, or some such.  Are you saying that paid staffers of the ACLU should be prohibited from contacting legislators to urge them to oppose the bill?

            If that’s not what you’re saying, then I don’t understand what “lobbying should be outlawed” means, and I’d be glad of clarification.