US senators move to block Trump troop withdrawal from Germany

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      N2Doc
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      A bipartisan group of US senators have said they will move to stop the president from withdrawing troops from Germany by holding back funding to pay for the redeployment.

      Six senators, including influential Republicans Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. Marco Rubio, said they planned to amend national defense spending legislation to limit the use of funds for reducing troops in Germany.

      The block on spending would remain in place until it was possible to verify that the withdrawal would not harm NATO, US military operations or military families. It also requires assurance that the additional cost for redeployment should not be significant.

      “At a time when the US and our European allies must continue to stand hand in hand in deterring malign influences, it is in our national security interest, as well as in the interest of our allies and partners, to continue our presence in Germany,” Senator Rubio said.

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      https://www.dw.com/en/us-senators-move-to-block-trump-troop-withdrawal-from-germany/a-53992769

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      David the Gnome
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      ““At a time when the US and our European allies must continue to stand hand in hand in deterring malign influences, it is in our national security interest, as well as in the interest of our allies and partners, to continue our presence in Germany,” Senator Rubio said.”

      My first though is this: What do German citizens think about this?  There are still some around who remember the initial occupation.  Do they want the US troops to remain, or would they prefer that they leave?  Our presence in Germany is not (or at least should not be) up to Senators and such.  It should be up to the German people/government.  We are not at war – and the occupation as such supposedly ended long ago.  If the intent is to provide assistance against possible aggression from Russia, then it seems to me that there are many other bases and Countries surrounding Russia in which there are plenty of U.S. troops and weaponry.  There shouldn’t be – but there are.  My understanding, also, is that these troops are not being brought back home, for the most part, but being sent to other Countries in the region, such as Poland.

      It seems odd to me that democrats want our forces to remain there – I cannot think of a valid reason for it.  What they will give as a reason is resisting Russia… but the Soviet Union is long gone, the Russia of today is not the same.  The technology and weaponry of today is not the same.  Having thousand of ground forces in Germany isn’t going to do a whole lot of good if a genuine war breaks out.  They’ll be among the first targets and among the first to die.  Neither the U.S. nor Russia will run out of missiles for quite some time.

    • #331606
      MizzGrizz
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      As always,follow the money.

      The troops aren’t still there because Germany is divided and Western Europe needs protected.That hasn’t been the case since the Wall fell.Even with the Wall And before,it wasn’t totally true.

      American corporations sunk big investments in West Germany after the Second World War.Branch offices…basically turning West Germany into the fifty first state.

      We’ve needed to get out of there since 1989 at least,but the protection for American corporations is the reason we remain.That’s why there’s bipartisan efforts to revoke Trump’s order.

       

    • #331614
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I don’t know, but my guess is nine figures, and that can buy a lot of senators. They don’t want to derail that gravy train.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      Merchants and corporations left Bagdad slowly, knowing that something was coming.  Bush was giving sanctions but a 9/11 Pearl Harbor was needed by the Deep Roundtable.  Gaining oil, national resources and the CIA world drug money, were the short term goals.  Working Americans became poorer.

      Merkel seems ready to nationalize businesses in return for lesser pipeline needs in solarized Germany.  She may want to do this before Biden/Rice No Fly Zones in Eastern Europe and northeastern Asia, beginning right after Jan. 22, 2021.  Recently during the Trump Administration the Iraqi  government told the US to get out of their country.

      Turkey is in the middle with thoughts of empire.  The pipelines are close by.

      2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #331918
      gordyfl
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      I heard Trump is removing 9,500 troops out of Germany leaving 25,000 there. Some of the troops will be coming home. Others are going to former Soviet Bloc nation’s.

    • #331933
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      Trump has proven that he can redirect money to his border wall that was not congressionally approved for that purpose. What makes them think that he won’t redirect money to removing troops from Germany? He is, after all, the king president. Can’t he do whatever he wants for any reason he wants? If Merkel insults him personally by refusing to come to the US during an out-of-control pandemic, she must be taught a lesson in not insulting Donald Trump.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

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