US: Support for 'Medicare-for-all' wavers over tax increases
January 23, 2019 at 7:25 PM - Views: 74 #15599sonofspy777Participant
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F*cking Media never understands always backs the Corp.ses!
“Medicare-for-all” makes a good first impression, but support plunges when people are asked if they would pay higher taxes or put up with treatment delays to get it.
A survey released by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation on Wednesday comes as Democratic presidential hopefuls embrace the idea of a government-run healthcare system. The poll found that 56 percent of Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all” compared with 42 percent who oppose the policy.
Those numbers can shift dramatically when people are given additional information. (italics mine)
Yeah WRONG additional information!
Bernie figured he could do more good ALIVE,
than dead in a small plane "accident".
I think he's right.
January 23, 2019 at 7:28 PM #15601Cold Mountain TrailParticipant
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duh — because they think their taxes will go up to pay for it.
I wonder about the income levels of the people theyre polling.
“Those numbers can shift dramatically when people are given additional information.”
yes, and I wonder if the “additional information” is included in the poll. Otherwise, its based on peoples often mistaken ideas about the financing.
January 23, 2019 at 8:10 PM #15613elias39Participant
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“I wonder about the income levels of the people they’re polling.”
Heh. I wonder about the intellect levels of the people they’re polling.
January 23, 2019 at 9:04 PM #15632DoctorJParticipant
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Their taxes WILL go up. By about 1/3 of what they’re paying the death panels now. Their inability to do this simple math is a big reason the PTB have torpedoed education. They will believe whatever Hate Radio and Fox tell them.
Then you will have to fight off the Obama synchophants who think that Medicare For All will besmirch O’s legacy because you’re racist.
A ways off, I fear.
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January 24, 2019 at 1:33 AM #15689eridaniParticipant
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Taxes will in fact go up, but premiums and co-pays will be eliminated, saving everyone a hell of a lot of money. My standard answer to this ploy is that anyone who prefers paying a $900/month premium to paying a $250/month tax shouldn’t be running around loose without adult supervision.
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January 24, 2019 at 3:16 PM #15863OCMIParticipant
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Love that answer! May I borrow it?
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January 24, 2019 at 4:23 PM #15881peacecorpsParticipant
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I doubt that taxes for most of us would go up much at all if the tax increase was progressive. If M4A becomes a legislative reality, I hope that the progressives who enact it will fund it with progressive taxes. IF there is ANY increase in taxes for the 99%, you are right that much more will be saved by eliminating premiums and copays.
They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.
National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.
January 23, 2019 at 8:26 PM #15616Two way streetParticipant
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There is probably and updated version of this. A Medicare for All calculator needs to be all lawmakers web pages that support House Bill 676. Since 2016 Bernie came out with the Senate Bill 1804 that works to transition from ACA to complete Medicare for All. What changed? Last part of December 2018, ACA was struck down by a Federal Judge. I am thinking that a new calculator has been released, but I cannot find it. Actually, it seems that it was posted on JPR earlier this year.
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January 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM #15653RufusTFireflyParticipant
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Lady Klynton Kissinger-Sachs was always stoking these sorts of unfounded fears.
These sorts of specious arguments are almost as lame as Scott Walker’s idiotic distortion of a higher top marginal tax rate.
How much money will people save in exorbitant premiums they paid to blood-sucking pharmaceuticals? And how about the piece of mind you get when you realize you don’t have to choose between avoiding the doctor and bankruptcy? And how much will society as a whole benefit when a sizeable chunk of us are no longer desperate and sick? Priceless.
January 24, 2019 at 12:45 AM #15679MistaPParticipant
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they can only say this because Sanders isn’t out there answering with his charts and his details and his nauseating stories of just what the system does to real people
it’s a common joke in my transit activist/nerd circles: until the morning a new line starts up, the NIMBYs are out wall-to-wall saying that it’ll be too expensive and too cut-cost and too fast and too slow and rammed through and built too slowly and too crowded and nobody’ll ride it and it needs to be on stilts and it needs to be underground and it needs to be at-grade: sometimes these arguments are made by different individuals, even!
by that evening, the only question is, “why didn’t we have this sooner?”
January 24, 2019 at 11:08 AM #15800JustSayinParticipant
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Remember a Hillbot will never allow you to get single payer but we can settle for taking away their free medicare.from IT
Never expect different result by following the previous steps
January 24, 2019 at 4:06 PM #15876RufusTFireflyParticipant
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Could this be part of a two-pronged strategy by the corporate elite?
1. Foment fear, uncertainty, and doubt about M4A
2. Shelve the simple and elegant H.R. 676, and write an “improved” bill in private
January 24, 2019 at 8:13 PM #15999Cold Mountain TrailParticipant
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I thought they’re already doing that — somewhere on this site is an OP about Jayapal (WA) writing a new bill behind closed door and refusing to show the draft, and 676 shelved.
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